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The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)
Associated Press ^ | 3/24/01

Posted on 03/30/2002 7:53:37 PM PST by malakhi

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.


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To: in_principio_erat_Verbum
I'm a Panthers fan.

Well, that's gotta be tough. Didn't you have Dom Capers? He was an excellent defensive coach for us.

SD

52,321 posted on 05/08/2003 10:06:46 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: in_principio_erat_Verbum
but can he pick up the Denver system quick enough?

It might be that Shanahan is thinking Plummer is mobile enough to overcome growing pains in the system.

52,323 posted on 05/08/2003 10:08:28 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant (How's my posting? Call 1-800-Matthew 1:24-25)
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To: SoothingDave
Eternal is not a trivial word. This is the term Jesus uses repeatedly. You must face the impact of Jesus' term. If saving faith can come and go - eternal doesn't mean eternal.


***Is it a one time articulation of an intellectual acceptance, or is it that accompanied by the working out of the faith that Paul desrcibed?***

It is a point in time embracing of the gospel [the finished work of Christ for us] which coincides with regeneration. Regeneration effects the entire being of a person and is irreversible. No one is unregenerated after regeneration.

Regeneration results in a life of walking with the Lord. It is the beginning.


52,324 posted on 05/08/2003 10:09:27 AM PDT by drstevej
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To: SoothingDave
To my knowledge the Congress has not had a conference committee on that legislation yet. So while each house has voted on a versino of it, there has been no final vote on a reconciled version.

They'd better get with it. If I remember right both houses of congress overwhelmingly voted for the ban and Clinton wouldn't sign it. If that's the case what, with our "christian" president, is the holdup?

52,325 posted on 05/08/2003 10:10:56 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant (How's my posting? Call 1-800-Matthew 1:24-25)
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To: in_principio_erat_Verbum; malakhi; drstevej
If they don't possess eternal life, once and for always, then it's not eternal, now is it.

You probably think 2 tim 3:16 is about sola scriptura as well. The text simply does not hold up to the claim made by Protestants about these texts. They really, really, really want it to, and they teach each other that it does.

But in the cold hard light of day, it does not.

"Eternal life" is an adjective and a noun. The adjective is "eternal" and it modifies the noun "life."

It is the life that is eternal, not our possession of it. IF the Protestant, OSAS view were true, the Bible would say "whoever believes on me will eternally have life."

But it doesn't. In this case "eternally" is an adverb, modifying the verb "have." That is what you guys all read here. But it is, sadly, mistaken.

You can have "eternal life" and then not have it. Just like you can have an "everlasting gobstopper" and then lose it. Adjective describe nouns, not verbs.

SD

52,326 posted on 05/08/2003 10:11:25 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
They'd better get with it. If I remember right both houses of congress overwhelmingly voted for the ban and Clinton wouldn't sign it. If that's the case what, with our "christian" president, is the holdup?

War.

SD

52,327 posted on 05/08/2003 10:12:20 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: in_principio_erat_Verbum
I'm a Panthers fan.

I'm contemplating drafting Stephen Davis in my fantasy league this year.

52,328 posted on 05/08/2003 10:12:51 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant (How's my posting? Call 1-800-Matthew 1:24-25)
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To: SoothingDave
War.

That's more important than 1.5 million killed here at home every year?

52,330 posted on 05/08/2003 10:14:38 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant (How's my posting? Call 1-800-Matthew 1:24-25)
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To: drstevej
Eternal is not a trivial word. This is the term Jesus uses repeatedly. You must face the impact of Jesus' term. If saving faith can come and go - eternal doesn't mean eternal.

You continue with the distraction. The definition of eternal has nothing to do with it. It is the definition of "belief."

***Is it a one time articulation of an intellectual acceptance, or is it that accompanied by the working out of the faith that Paul desrcibed?***

It is a point in time embracing of the gospel

Sorry. You can believe this if you want, but I won't. It's not just one point in time. If Paul had to work out his faith, then so do I.

SD

52,331 posted on 05/08/2003 10:14:42 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
That's more important than 1.5 million killed here at home every year?

You know darn well that Congress can barely focus on one thing at a time. I share your sense of urgency, but I don't think Bush or certain other leaders do. Bush doesn't like to make waves, so he'll probably try to orchestrate it so he signs it this summer, when Congress goes to recess in August and no body is paying much attention.

SD

52,332 posted on 05/08/2003 10:17:21 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: OLD REGGIE
Is IMRight serious? Is he aware of the context involved in the series of posts? Is he providing Quester with information he is not familiar with?

What am I missing? You don't think this is a reference to Christ? Not evidence that He was around when the Father wrote Scripture (whatever the heck THAT is supposed to mean)?

52,334 posted on 05/08/2003 10:19:54 AM PDT by IMRight
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To: in_principio_erat_Verbum
The likelihood that it will be needed is small.

I think that's the first time I've heard someone say it's not likely that life insurance benefits would be needed by the beneficiary(s) after the sure death of the policy holder.

Are you really this dense?

If a 30 year old buys a 20 year term life policy, and if the actuarial data shows that 96% of 30 year olds will live to at least 50, then there is only a 4% probability that the policy will be "needed". I think it is safe to say that a 4% probability is "small".

52,335 posted on 05/08/2003 10:20:18 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: SoothingDave; in_principio_erat_Verbum; drstevej
Eternal is not a trivial word. This is the term Jesus uses repeatedly. You must face the impact of Jesus' term. If saving faith can come and go - eternal doesn't mean eternal.

While this is an absolute Biblical Truth that if we do repent of our sins and ask Jesus into our life, we will be saved and go to heaven, I think Christianity has misunderstood the depth of the meaning of what Jesus was speaking about when he talked of "everlasting life" or "eternal life". The Greek word which is translated as everlasting life in the King James Bible is the Greek word, "Zoe". It means "abundant life" or "the highest plateau of life". "Zoe" is used in the NT whenever "eternal life" is mentioned.

52,337 posted on 05/08/2003 10:22:31 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant (How's my posting? Call 1-800-Matthew 1:24-25)
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52,338 posted on 05/08/2003 10:22:34 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: SoothingDave
Reread my post again SD.

The word believe is used of the faith at the point of regeneration and also of the faith that is a part of the Christian life. You are confusing these two.
52,339 posted on 05/08/2003 10:23:31 AM PDT by drstevej
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