The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)

Associated Press ^ | 3/24/01

[malakhi]

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.

Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams

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[JHavard]

What the hell does Jesus being without sin have to do with in_principio_erat_Verbum?

Have you declared him Immaculate? Is he now free from questioning becuase he is our Lord?

Yeh, that's what I'm saying. Good evaluation Dave. Lol

JH

[SoothingDave]

You can be thrown out of the country, but you will forever be born an American.

Factually incorrect!

Factually incorrect? Whatever are you on about?

There are no facts here, only beliefs. I was illustrating the belief we have about ordination being irrevocable, akin to birth. That you don't agree with Catholicism is hardly worth noting.

SD

[SoothingDave]

Yeh, that's what I'm saying. Good evaluation Dave. Lol

Well, since malakhi came up with the same conclusion, I don't feel so foolish.

As for the "pharisitical" line of questioning I was badgering everybody with, Backy and Cindy had no problem answering. They didn't feel like Jesus under fire.

SD

[malakhi]

So the first mistake we Catholics made was to add all those other books to the OT?

YES! ;o)

[malakhi]

Do you think this was the type of sin he referred to?

I think Paul was stating a belief about the human condition in general, not merely for himself.

[SoothingDave]

Nah, we didn't do that til Trent, remember? I think our first mistake was letting the Romans stop killing us.

SD

[SoothingDave]

Do you think this was the type of sin he referred to?

Stop the presses! NC discovers the difference between venial and mortal sins.

LOL

SD

[CindyDawg]

Have you declared him Immaculate? Is he now free from questioning becuase he is our Lord? Yeh, that's what I'm saying

I don't get it. Can you explain for us slower folk? :')

[malakhi]

ventana: So the first mistake we Catholics made was to add all those other books to the OT?

me: YES! ;o)

SD: Nah, we didn't do that til Trent, remember?

Oh, I thought ventana was talking about the "New Testament".

[SoothingDave]

I get ya. Didn't catch that. Very good. LOL

SD

[JHavard]

and that he has no faith.

What does this mean, will you answer the d@mn questiion?

JH (grin) & :-)

[SoothingDave]

To have no faith means that the person, OK, doesn't have, like, faith. That is, that he doesn't believe in God or Jesus or nothing.

Since we are (for sake of his argument) saved by faith alone, not having faith is a bad thing.

We can judge hwo does and who does not have faith by whether they repeat their sins.

SD

[Invincibly Ignorant]

then God can make a man a priest in a similar irrevocable way.

I see in scripture where God has done this for the tribe of Levi, but where in the NT does it say the office of a priest is irrevocable?

[JHavard]

Fine. Then could you ever be plucked out of the grasp of Jesus your savior? Or when you got saved was it something permanent that God did, no matter what you do?

If I had been a pedophile or a fornicator, God would not have had me in his hand to start with.

JH :-)

[SoothingDave]

And He breathed on them and said "receive the Holy Spirit, if you forgive men's sins they are forgiven them"

He didn't have no fine print about taking it back if they sinned too bad.

SD

[Invincibly Ignorant]

And He breathed on them and said "receive the Holy Spirit, if you forgive men's sins they are forgiven them"

Ok. I see now. You can't find it anywhere in the NT. This is just some private interpretation of scripture.

[JHavard]

Yes, I agree. Further, I think the Catholics, despite resistance from some of the bishops, are taking care of the problem.

I pray your right.

JH :-)

[SoothingDave]

If I had been a pedophile or a fornicator, God would not have had me in his hand to start with.

What a sad thought. So someone who is engaged in fornication can never be saved? That's not what you mean.

Someone who is saved will never engage in a sexual sin. No, that's not it either. People can fail.

What you mean is that saved people can't possibly do things that bad. You are putting a stipulation on salvation. Instead of salvation by "faith alone" you have added a clause. If you fall into sin that is too "heinous" God won't pull you out.

S

[malakhi]

Still waiting for an answer on this one.

ipeV ##50829: BTW, the "casting the first stone" stipulation, was according to the Law, that the first to cast the stone had to be not guilty of that exact same sin in order to cast the stone.

me #50844: Can you cite me the specific verse which states this requirement?

Where in the Law is this requirement found?

[CindyDawg]

mail call :') You still here?