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To: JHavard
If I had been a pedophile or a fornicator, God would not have had me in his hand to start with.

What a sad thought. So someone who is engaged in fornication can never be saved? That's not what you mean.

Someone who is saved will never engage in a sexual sin. No, that's not it either. People can fail.

What you mean is that saved people can't possibly do things that bad. You are putting a stipulation on salvation. Instead of salvation by "faith alone" you have added a clause. If you fall into sin that is too "heinous" God won't pull you out.

S

51,098 posted on 05/01/2003 2:39:05 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
What a sad thought. So someone who is engaged in fornication can never be saved? That's not what you mean.

Someone who is saved will never engage in a sexual sin. No, that's not it either. People can fail.

What you mean is that saved people can't possibly do things that bad. You are putting a stipulation on salvation. Instead of salvation by "faith alone" you have added a clause. If you fall into sin that is too "heinous" God won't pull you out.

Dave, my belief is that when a man begins to seek God, God sees his sincerity, whether he's sinning or not.

God judges his sincerity, and then calls him by giving him more information and more opportunities to begin learning and thinking of God.

When God knocks on his door, and he answers, then God gives him knowledge of his Son and his redeeming blood, and he's forgiven of all sin past present and future by His one sacrifice, and he’s given the Holy Spirit..

He then follows the Spirit that directs him to a belief that will start his growth toward God's kingdom.

By the time Christ has covered his sin, he has already begun to hate his past sins, and with the Holy Spirit in him, he should never have similar problems again.


John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

V-45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

V-46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father

47. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.


Anyway, that’s how I see it all come down, and it’s not the belief of my church, or any others that I’m familiar with, and it’s the way God seemed to work in my life.

If a man still sins continually as before, I find it hard to believe God would put His Spirit in a body that still has not turned from sin.

A man who seems religious, but is still steeped in the same sin as before, I believe God is watching him and waiting for him to come to the point he can be called.

Perhaps that's why Paul said to deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.1 Cor 5:5

JH :-)

51,121 posted on 05/01/2003 4:16:59 PM PDT by JHavard
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