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The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)
Associated Press ^ | 3/24/01

Posted on 03/30/2002 7:53:37 PM PST by malakhi

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.


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To: malakhi
I had a couple Hebrew Nationals for lunch. :-)
51,001 posted on 05/01/2003 1:01:19 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant (Hows my posting? Call 1-800-Matthew 1:24 & 25.)
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To: SoothingDave; in_principio_erat_Verbum
Dave you're are missing his point, if a man does these things over a long peroid of time, he is doing it on his choice and overlooking what God had said about such a thing, and this man is probably not saved according to what God says in His word to this man, it is God judging the man not us. We just read what God says in His word and compare them to what this man has done and we say "Oh no" according to what God had said this man is in deep trouble and does not really know God as his savior, because there is no repentence in him.

BigMack

51,002 posted on 05/01/2003 1:02:46 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: SoothingDave
I'll answer. Yes we repeat the same sins at times. Some of us ( myself included don't seem to always learn the first time, all the time). Hopefully though, we eventually learn from our mistakes and correct them. If in the process we are considered a danger to society though, we need to be placed where we can't hurt others. Praying for forgiveness AND correcting wrong behavior is the true sign of repentance to me.

In this day and age I will not leave my little ones alone with a catholic priest, baptist minister,or any other church leader. We now have to teach our children that some men "even in church" are bad and tell them what to do if ever touched inappropriately. This is what a few non-repenting "bad apples" have done to our society and the secular part loves it, and it isn't just happening in the catholic churches. Yall have made mistakes and have big problems but bad things happen in other churches too. Intense screening, observation, and how we deal with this, has got to be major concerns for us.

51,003 posted on 05/01/2003 1:03:24 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
I had a couple Hebrew Nationals for lunch. :-)

I do hope you are talking about hot dogs. ;o)

51,004 posted on 05/01/2003 1:05:35 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Dave you're are missing his point, if a man does these things over a long peroid of time, he is doing it on his choice and overlooking what God had said about such a thing, and this man is probably not saved according to what God says in His word to this man, it is God judging the man not us.

No, it is you. You are assuming that he is unrepentent. Based on only the evidence that the sin is repeated. Which is why I asked the great unanswered question about whether you guys ever sin the same sin again after repenting.

You could be the first to answer it.

The point is that we do not know for sure if such a man is repentent or not. We can not judge him. We can say, it sure as hell looks like he's damned, but we can not say for sure.

All of ipev's arguments rest upon being sure in this knowledge. That is not our call to make.

We just read what God says in His word and compare them to what this man has done and we say "Oh no" according to what God had said this man is in deep trouble and does not really know God as his savior, because there is no repentence in him.

You judge "repentence" how?

SD

51,005 posted on 05/01/2003 1:06:17 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: OLD REGGIE
Added you to the pray list too, Reggie. Might want to stay off the bike and out of the pond for awhile though :')
51,007 posted on 05/01/2003 1:09:11 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: malakhi
I do hope you are talking about hot dogs. ;o)

Thought I'd try a couple out and see if I could still come in here and talk about the Lord. :-)

51,008 posted on 05/01/2003 1:09:21 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant (Hows my posting? Call 1-800-Matthew 1:24 & 25.)
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To: CindyDawg
I'll answer. Yes we repeat the same sins at times. Some of us ( myself included don't seem to always learn the first time, all the time). Hopefully though, we eventually learn from our mistakes and correct them.

Thank you. Tha's all I wanted to hear. Yes, we should grow to avoid the sin at all times, but we will always at some time fail.

Just because you repeat the sin does nto mean you are unrepentent, or that your penitence the first time you confessed was not genuine.

If in the process we are considered a danger to society though, we need to be placed where we can't hurt others. Praying for forgiveness AND correcting wrong behavior is the true sign of repentance to me.

I never said anything contrary to the idea of removing harmful men from positions where they can do harm. My only point has been with those who wish to condemn them and judge whether they have any faith or repentence at all. And thereby attempt to make a point about the validity of sacraments based upon this judgment.

SD

51,009 posted on 05/01/2003 1:09:31 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: BartMan1
FYI
51,010 posted on 05/01/2003 1:09:33 PM PDT by IncPen
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To: in_principio_erat_Verbum
Do you believe a young man thinks to himself, "I'm going to spend the next 40 years molesting children and attempting to hide my shame"?

Hey everybody, look! Another question ipev won't answer.

SD

51,011 posted on 05/01/2003 1:10:44 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
You judge "repentence" how?

Ever hear of crocodile tears?

BigMack

51,012 posted on 05/01/2003 1:11:43 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: Segale2001
Are you a Christian?
51,013 posted on 05/01/2003 1:13:22 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
You base it on your own personal interpretation of how sincere you think a person is?

SD

51,014 posted on 05/01/2003 1:14:19 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
I doubt you would know him. But aside from that. My understanding is solid. The conflicts I found are solid. I am not going to debate the word, but i'll give ya a bone to chew. I find no reason for confessionals, statues in Churches, or the intercession of Mary to a varied degree. That shoudl get you going. Have a ball.
51,015 posted on 05/01/2003 1:15:07 PM PDT by Segale2001 (Old School America will Rise Again.)
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To: Segale2001
I doubt you would know him.

So someone did help you see the errors of Catholicism in the Word?

SD

51,017 posted on 05/01/2003 1:17:38 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
Do you believe a young man thinks to himself, "I'm going to spend the next 40 years molesting children and attempting to hide my shame"?

Is it by accident that you pose your question in rediculous extremes and then insist on a "yes" or "no" answer?

Do you believe that a young man, "Father" Shanley for example, would have no shame and would state publicly that sex with boys was ok? Would claim that the child is the seducer? Do you think such a man would be protected by the RCC for many years?

Wow! The truth is even more extreme than your far out example.

51,018 posted on 05/01/2003 1:17:44 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE ((I am a cult of one! UNITARJEWMIAN))
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To: in_principio_erat_Verbum
What's with you and Dave, today? I agree with both of you and you both disagree with me lol
51,019 posted on 05/01/2003 1:19:47 PM PDT by CindyDawg (just so yall know. payroll in. I'm not goofing off at work. I took the day off :'))
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To: SoothingDave
Well, maybe someone will do your mowing for ya. Look on the bright side.

No, I have a lawn tractor and mow wherever it will take me. I hire someone for raking and cleanup (once a year).
51,020 posted on 05/01/2003 1:21:30 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE ((I am a cult of one! UNITARJEWMIAN))
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