Posted on 03/30/2002 7:53:37 PM PST by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
Me loving mum returned home from Minn last night so we got together as a family when I got off work today. That and I needed a nap pretty bad when I got back in. Sorry. Given what was said earlier, you can't possibly think I'd have missed that for anything less important ROFL. I didn't know whether to be sad at the stunning lack of knowledge or to wet myself laughing. So I laughed and tried to find a positive side and then returned to educating.
Thanks a lot fella. :-)
" It is pretty sad that fear of God and prayers to Him and the saints (INCLUDING MARY) have sustained the Catholic Church for 2,000 years and has not been surpassed in population since."
"The first Bibles were written in Aramaic, then translated to Greek, then Latin; or possibly Latin then Greek, but the first were written in Aramaic, you know the language Christ spoke."
"Not every person saved is a saint, I won't explain it, but it takes the process of canonization. There was no heaven until Christ died. No salvation, but a hell; so therefore a "limbo" (just a name)."
OLD REGGIE...is it a habit to quote things from weeks ago, because I'll tell you right now it's been a lot longer than "few days."
Look, I'll admit, I'm not history savy, but the last statement was made as rebutle to someone asking, "so everyone saved is a saint?"
tHe AnTiLiB I'll get to your previous comment later, sorry, don't have the time:-(
Does that apply to everyone, or just BigMack? Because, a slab o' sweet onion would make it the picture of perfection. ;-)
"The first Bibles were written in Aramaic, then translated to Greek, then Latin; or possibly Latin then Greek, but the first were written in Aramaic, you know the language Christ spoke."
"Not every person saved is a saint, I won't explain it, but it takes the process of canonization. There was no heaven until Christ died. No salvation, but a hell; so therefore a "limbo" (just a name)."
Well, since Reggie won't let this rest, I'll comment.
I'm not sure what your comment one is supposed to be saying. If you were attempting an argument from the vast numbers of people who have been or are Catholic, don't expect it to go very far. Truth is not decided by a vote, and many here will dismiss Catholic numbers anyway.
Indeed, we must ourselves recognize that many of those listed as "Catholic" are ill educated on the faith or are outright rejecters of it.
As for #2, you are simply incorrect. Aramaic was the language used by Jews at the time, but there is no evidence of the New Testament being written in Aramaic. (The Old Testament, of course was written in Hebrew.)
There are Aramaic phrases kept in the Greek text of the NT, but this is to capture the last words of Christ, and are provided with a translation. It seems from some idioms that Hebrew may have been used for some NT books, but any manuscripts of this are lost.
For #3, there are two things. First, the confusion between a canonized saint and a plain saint. You may not know this, but the Church considers anyone who has died and gone ot heaven to be a saint. The canonized saints are the ones we definitely know about, but they are vastly outnumbered by those we do not know for sure.
Non-Catholics of the evangelical variety like to think that they are "saved" and that there is no way they can lose their salvation. So they like to call themselves "saints." We find this presumptuous, of course, but that is what they mean by the word.
As for their not being a Heaven, there certainly was. It just was not open to anyone until Jesus was Risen. So your comment on the Limbo of the Fathers is correct.
Thanks. I looked for this but couldn't find it.
You're welcome.
Now all you have to do is explain the correspondence between "sacramentally present" and "undivided body and blood".
Christ is present. Fully present. If this is the case, how could He be fully present without His Blood?
SD
Please don't. I'd rather have Mack cut and paste baptist theology.
ingredients: pork with ham, salt, water,sugar,sodium nitrate. Hmm. IT REALLY DOES CONTAIN MEAT. fully cooked, ready to eat -cold (yuk) or hot.
Dave's point was that the Matthew 10:6 reference to "The House of Israel" specifically excluded the 10 lost tribes.
No, my point was that this reference was not solely a reference to the lost (scattered) tribes. It is to be understood as a reference to all who descended from Abraham.
Practically and historically speaking, it was a commission to preach to all of those in the geographical area called "Israel" or whatever you wish to call it. In the immediate area where primarily the two tribes of Judah and Benjamin had remained.
The point being that, before the Resurrection, the Apostles did not go out beyodn their country. They did not go to Japan or India or Babylon to search out the lost tribes, they preached to the lost sheep at home.
Then, after the Resurrection, Jesus told all of the Apostles to go out to the nations. There they might encounter members of the lost tribes. The idea that this passage limits the original Apostles to only preaching to the lost tribes of Israel is simply unsupported.
SD
I thought maybe you'd prefer a bunch of Sabbath talk. :-)
I believe the meaning is to go go the Jews first.
Yes. First. Before the Resurrection. After that, a new charge is given.
Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent out, charging them, "Go nowhere among the Gentiles, and enter no town of the Samaritans,
Yes, if this is a permanent charge, as Havoc and his would have us believe, then none of the original Apostles ever went into any Gentile territory. Which we know from history is false.
So, how long will he hold to this position, in order to try to make the Bible look like Peter couldn't have gone to Rome?
SD
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