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To: tHe AnTiLiB; OLD REGGIE
" It is pretty sad that fear of God and prayers to Him and the saints (INCLUDING MARY) have sustained the Catholic Church for 2,000 years and has not been surpassed in population since."

"The first Bibles were written in Aramaic, then translated to Greek, then Latin; or possibly Latin then Greek, but the first were written in Aramaic, you know the language Christ spoke."

"Not every person saved is a saint, I won't explain it, but it takes the process of canonization. There was no heaven until Christ died. No salvation, but a hell; so therefore a "limbo" (just a name)."

Well, since Reggie won't let this rest, I'll comment.

I'm not sure what your comment one is supposed to be saying. If you were attempting an argument from the vast numbers of people who have been or are Catholic, don't expect it to go very far. Truth is not decided by a vote, and many here will dismiss Catholic numbers anyway.

Indeed, we must ourselves recognize that many of those listed as "Catholic" are ill educated on the faith or are outright rejecters of it.

As for #2, you are simply incorrect. Aramaic was the language used by Jews at the time, but there is no evidence of the New Testament being written in Aramaic. (The Old Testament, of course was written in Hebrew.)

There are Aramaic phrases kept in the Greek text of the NT, but this is to capture the last words of Christ, and are provided with a translation. It seems from some idioms that Hebrew may have been used for some NT books, but any manuscripts of this are lost.

For #3, there are two things. First, the confusion between a canonized saint and a plain saint. You may not know this, but the Church considers anyone who has died and gone ot heaven to be a saint. The canonized saints are the ones we definitely know about, but they are vastly outnumbered by those we do not know for sure.

Non-Catholics of the evangelical variety like to think that they are "saved" and that there is no way they can lose their salvation. So they like to call themselves "saints." We find this presumptuous, of course, but that is what they mean by the word.

As for their not being a Heaven, there certainly was. It just was not open to anyone until Jesus was Risen. So your comment on the Limbo of the Fathers is correct.

49,312 posted on 04/29/2003 6:31:46 AM PDT by SoothingDave (It might behoove me to be heaved)
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To: OLD REGGIE
Re 49182

Thanks. I looked for this but couldn't find it.

You're welcome.

Now all you have to do is explain the correspondence between "sacramentally present" and "undivided body and blood".

Christ is present. Fully present. If this is the case, how could He be fully present without His Blood?

SD

49,313 posted on 04/29/2003 6:33:55 AM PDT by SoothingDave (It might behoove me to be heaved)
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To: SoothingDave
So your comment on the Limbo of the Fathers is correct.

This is not your Fathers' Limbo... ;o)


49,322 posted on 04/29/2003 6:42:49 AM PDT by malakhi
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