Posted on 03/30/2002 7:53:37 PM PST by malakhi
Becky
Thanks, Shep. :')
Sounds interesting. I'll have to look into the Donatists to see what they believed.
She "helped" me stay up for the Easter vigil. :)
She's actually a little angel, and we're thrilled to have her around (and the boys love her). On the down side... I had forgotten how much harder girls are to change (both clothing and diapers).
How old do you get before regular outfits don't come with matching bloomers?
I understand this and agree but I still have concerns about Christians talking about being perfect. It's more the word than the intent. If I state that I have been saved and am now perfect and someone I witness to hears me say this then sees me do something un-perfect I worry that without understanding they might be completely turned off to knowing more.
You agree with Jim that we are perfect souls trapped in dirty bodies?
How come when you say you are perfect, it means that you are still human, but when we say Mary is perfect it means that she is somehow "divine?"
Is a human without sin a god?
SD
Oh, OK. You know we sacramental Christians like to have our Last Rites. If I die with unconfessed mortal sin on my soul I go to hell.
This makes having access to the sacraments, including Communion, very important to salvation.
SD
The author is living in fantasy land. Proof? -
In other words, if there are ten Independent Baptist churches in a given city, even though all of them are identical in belief and practice...
No such place - I rest my case.
Actually, there was less drinking during Prohibition, despite popular myth. A fascinating study on this came out in the mid-80's when I was in grad school and taking a course in Law and Society. Laws do have a deterrent effect, particularly as the subject of those laws increases in, for lack of a better term, moral importance. For example, think back to the days of the 55 MPH speed limit on Interstates. In those days, most of us drove between, what, 60 and 65. After the speed limits were raised to 65, most of us figured it was 'safe' to start driving around 70. If you raised the speed limit to 80, I suspect many if not most people would at least go 80. And this is just with the speed limit where the only cost is a ticket and maybe higher insurance rates. Laws do have an impact on human behavior.
Just as I challenged Soothing Dave to find me another woman named Mary who had sons named James and Joses, I also challenge you, and please don’t bother me again trying to say Mary remained ever virgin unless you can.
Jim, I can lead you to water, but I can't make you drink.
You point to two different women, assume they are one, and ask me repeatedly to "show you another." It's right in front of you.
My position is at least as tenable as your requirement that the Holy SPirit refer to Mary, Mother of Jesus, as "the other Mary.
SD
Maybe it's cause we've got a "patron saint of the internet" and you don't. LOL
SD
Becky
And not a stitch of evidence to back up the claim.....
The moment she stated that she needed a savior. But then you already know this from time immemorial. Can't get around it. One who is utterly without sin does not need a savior to save them from their sin. One cannot be saved from that which does not exist. But that's not the only absurd paradox your faulty logic renders.
Excuse me if I don't agree with your notions of what the "Bible" asserts.
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Who says you have to disagree with me when you're so good at calling scripture a lie. We might as well just point out that the contradiction lies between your philosophy and scripture. I have nothing to do with it. You're arguing with God's word as set down into Holy Scripture by Paul the Apostle. When you square off on this, you call God and Paul both liars in one shot. That's blasphemy and disagreement with an Annointed apostle of the Lord. You like picking big fights don't you. And no fear of God in you to make you hold your tongue rather than accuse God. I'm not impressed. Your assertion that Mary was protected from sin (not allowed to sin of her own will) Is a blatent and direct accusation against God of breaking his own law as well. Blasphemy again. Which is why you and I don't much get along - because you know this and continue in the error.
"Strive" might be a stretch, but I'm here for you SteveN!
But I do like the new guy/gal's nic.
And you've got to admit the "ignorant" part, right?
Since it's about Jesus, this has no meaning whatsoever.
Do not fear. The picture angelo posted has nothing to do with messianic belief. The picture angelo posted is pagan. Our Lord was safrificed on an upright pole or a stake.
A tradition of the church which our fathers have inherited, was the adoption of the words "cross" and "crucify". These words are nowhere to be found in the Greek of the NT. These words are mistranslations, a "later rendering," of the Greek words Stauros and Stauroo. Vine's Expository Dictionary of the NT words says, "STAUROS" denotes, primarily, an upright pole or stake...Bothe the noun and the verb stauroo, to fasten to a stake or pole, are originally to be distinguished from the ecclesiastical form of a two beamed cross. The shape of the latter had its origin in ancient Chaldea (Babylon), and was used as the symbol of the god Tammuz (being in the shape of the mystic Tau, the initial of his name) By the middle of the 3rd century A.D. the churces had either departed from, or had travestied, certain doctines of the Christian faith. In order to increase the prestige of the apostate ecclesiatical system pagans were received into Churches apart from regeneration by faith, and were permitted largely to retain their pagan signs and symbols. Hence the Tau or T, in its most frequent form, with the cross piece lowered, was adopted...
no inconsistency here.
At least he/she didn't imply you were an atheist. If it counts, I laughed. I figured you would get around to him sooner or later. This poster isn't kicking at us, Steven. I think you know that are you would have already blasted him.
How do you square this with the verse posted by malakhi above which shows Elias was assumed into heaven?
Written, obviously, long before the gospels, and in Hebrew, not Greek. This proves nothing about what the gospel writers intended to say.
If you could come up with even a fragment of a Hebrew or Aramaic language gospel, your case would be stronger.
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