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To: CindyDawg
No, because I went to post something to you and crashed the computer. I fried it, good. They had to take my hard drive to the shop and replace windows. Weird thing is that a few days later I went to post a reply to you again and things got very slow. It was like oh no, not again. lol

Maybe it's cause we've got a "patron saint of the internet" and you don't. LOL

SD

47,592 posted on 04/21/2003 8:01:30 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Havoc
Re 47368

Constantine was so ignorant of Christianity that he was clueless as to the importance of the issue at hand and was arguing for the Arian position in trying to get the other factions to accept language that would allow for the Arian view to be accepted along with the opposite view. IE, it would simultaneously allow for teaching that Christ and God were both of different nature and of the same nature. Sit and ponder this for a moment, then continue.

Constantine's own direction on the matter was simply to attempt to unify the empire by stopping the wrangling between warring sects of the dominant religion against the backdrop of an empire struggling to survive under attack from it's enemies. The Old religions lost confidence of the people when the empire was attacked and suffered losses - which in turn fed the growth of 'Christian sects'. One can see the problem caused by religious infighting in a crumbling empire by turning on the news right now regarding post war Iraq. The different groups have to come together and learn to deal with one another or the country can't move on. This is the identical same situation Constantine was in. The factual record fails to mention a sect called 'Catholic'. A glaring abstention that had not escaped me before; but, it becomes all the more relevant when we realize that again, constantine is pulling a large group of different sects together to try and get them to cooperate and get along for the sake of the empire. And this is later punctuated by Theodosius who once and for all states there will be ONE sect called Catholic and all others thereafter will be heretics to be put down.. The price of political unity to drive out religious unrest was the creation of a common religion to the detriment of anyone who would disagree.

So, it is your (as usual) conflicting contention that Constantine simultaneously was the absolute ruler of this gathering, had Arian views, and yet they failed to prevail.

Pretty weak emperor you've got there.

This veyr fact shows that there was some other authority in the Church that was able to determine what was orthodox.

After reading the laws that were written by Constantine to deal with this stuff and putting it into context against what was supposed to already exist according to the popular myths. One wonders why it would be necessary for Constantine to impose laws on a body that already had such laws in place of their own.

Duh. It's about enforcement. Constantine, for good or bad, established the authority of the orthodox Catholic church to enforce orthodoxy.

That you confuse this with the establishment of the Church itself is akin to thinking that on July 4th, 1776 Thomas Jefferson established the idea of men being created equal.

The rest of your screeds are just as fanatical, and just as fantastically ill-reasoned.

SD

47,601 posted on 04/21/2003 8:06:52 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
Maybe it's cause we've got a "patron saint of the internet" and you don't. LOL

Yeah but I have a direct number to His private line. While you were going thru your saints, if I remember correctly, my plea went something like "Oh please, God. Not again. I'm gonna be in so much trouble. :')

47,912 posted on 04/21/2003 5:37:27 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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