The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)

Associated Press ^ | 3/24/01

[malakhi]

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.

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[tHe AnTiLiB]

The first Bibles were written in Aramaic, then translated to Greek, then Latin; or possibly Latin then Greek, but the first were written in Aramaic, you know the language Christ spoke.

[tHe AnTiLiB]

Here is something that won't be considered false even by you. The Catholic faith has been around longer than fundamentalism protestants, longer than Islam, and I don't see in the near future when fundamentalism will SURPASS Catholicism.

[RobbyS]

All I want here is the truth. Then I suggest you read a little more. Many reputable historians, not Catholic, do not agree with you. But to speak to the point, the notion that catholicism and orthodoxy are the creation of Constantine is simplistic. W.H.C. Frend proposes--and Gibbon certainly doesn't disagree with this-- that after the time of the Emperor Marcus to the Emperor Valerian, Christians became a power in the empire, provoking several pagan persecutions, esp under Maximin, Decian and Valerian. One thing is reasonably sure is that your notion that the Church was not catholic but a conglomeration of sects needs to be supported by many more facts than you have shared. Sumply to dismiss the testimony of Origen, Cyprian, and Dionysius of Alexandria will not do.

[JHavard]

Happy resurrection day everyone. An interesting side this morning.

Every Sunday morning while I wait for my wife to get ready, (dig, dig, dig,) I tune the TV to listen to Frederick K. Price, a black minister out of Ca.

This morning he taught on the subject of Easter and for the first time went into its Pagan origin.

Then he went into the “Good Friday” myth, explaining how the early Church didn’t understand that the Sabbath day that followed the crucifixion, wasn’t the weekly Sabbath day, but the Sabbath of the Passover, the “First Day of Unleavened Bread”.

It came on Thursday, as the Wednesday Crucifixion ended at evening.

Because they, nor anyone else, had the guts or the truthfulness to correct their mistake, they have foisted their lie on the whole world since then. They have claimed Jesus didn’t know what he was talking about, and He meant He’d be in the earth only 36 hours, a day and a half.

When Jesus told the Scribes and the Pharisees, He’d be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights, a 72 hour period, the Church leaders told their followers that it began Friday evening, and ended Sunday morning.

The Good Friday thing, and the resurrection being on Sunday morning is an absolute lie, and I’m glad to see that more ministers are being honest with their members, and beginning to distance themselves from those who have lied to their people for years.

The Catholic Church may have been the original perpetrators, but the Protestants had the chance to straighten it out, but they decided to continue the lie.

Wake up America!……. Pitts off…..

JH

[RobbyS]

Page 946 in The New Jerome Biblical Commentary The main point being that Chapter 21 does not identify the son of Zebedee with the Beloved Apostle.

[JHavard]

Here is something that won't be considered false even by you. The Catholic faith has been around longer than fundamentalism protestants, longer than Islam, and I don't see in the near future when fundamentalism will SURPASS Catholicism.

Are you implying that more Catholics are true believers in Christ, members of the ecclesia, then the Non-Catholics?

JH :-)

[CindyDawg]

Resurrection Sunday? I like that, but did it happen on a Sunday? I scanned JH's post but haven't studied it yet.

How's your newest little blessing doing?

[CindyDawg]

Statistics can show anything you want them to if you know how to skew the numbers, but even if you are right, didn't your mom preach to you when you were younger that "I don't care what everyone else is doing, you're not." :')

[CindyDawg]

So God says that Mary was a sinner? She was assumed into heaven body and soul

Show me scripture please. (how many times do I have to request this? :') )

[CindyDawg]

It wouldn't be Catholic now would it, and that's not the point.

That's kind of like saying there is only one protestant church and the rest of the 29999 aren't, but you easily lump us all together. You said that you want everyone to be catholic. Well, I don't need everyone to be Baptist but only to know Christ. Stay Catholic, if you want, but the advantage that protestants have is that if we go to a demonination that doesn't support scripture we have the freedom to ask questions, make changes or move on to a church that does.

[CindyDawg]

Praying to peole in heaven (saints) who have great spiritual grace to help pray for us is simply smart

See, this is what I don't understand. Why do you need to go through other people when you can go directly to Christ? No offense intended but do you think you are not important enough to Him that He won't listen to you and you have to find someone you knew to speak for you, or are you just afraid of Him?

[CindyDawg]

Well Doug and Steven, We celebrated "Ressurection Day, this afternoon. We colored eggs (some with crosses). We hid them,and hunted them. I tried to explain the reason to JJ but for some reason he kept wanting to sing happy birthday to Jesus. Sounds real pagen, now doesn't it? Oh well, since I had already been branded , we went ahead and ate the egg "layer", too. (actually, she got fried) :')

[CindyDawg]

Took the waiter's word for it.

Without asking him to show you scripture to back it up? I'm shocked!!!! lol

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

You don't believe anyone from the OT was saved? Do you believe that every saved person is a saint, or just the ones the catholic church names as saints?

Becky

[CindyDawg]

You like puzzles don't you? lol.

So you are saying He died Wed evening? That would make the ressurection Sat evening? It sounds like daytime hours in the Bible. That would cover three nights (wed, thur, fri) but not three days. (thur, fri, ?) If you counted sat then wouldn't the ressurection have to be the evening of sat because if you wait til Sun. you have 4 nights, right?

[OLD REGGIE]

The first Bibles were written in Aramaic, then translated to Greek, then Latin; or possibly Latin then Greek, but the first were written in Aramaic, you know the language Christ spoke.

WOW! You have no problem inventing history do you?

Would you mind providing a source for your "history"?

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

I was going to have some hard boiled eggs with our supper this evening, but did you know that eggs will actually blow up if you over boil them:). I put some one yesterday to boil and forgot about them till about an hour later. I was outside watching Mack polish his bike and suddenly remembered them. By the time I got to them the water had boiled away and there was cooked eggs all over the cabniet top. What was left in the pan was black:), OH well, Mack doesn't eat eggs anyway. My daughter and son-in-law are coming this evening. He has to work all day, so we are waiting for him. We are having Chicken Parmasan, salad, bread, and NO eggs:).

Have a great day.

Becky

[OLD REGGIE]

Page 946 in The New Jerome Biblical Commentary The main point being that Chapter 21 does not identify the son of Zebedee with the Beloved Apostle.

Finally, it is also important to note that some early Christians were very suspicious of John's Gospel due to the fact that it is very different from the Synoptic gospels and its popularity with Gnostic and heretical groups. (The New Jerome Biblical Commentary, pg. 946)

I keep forgetting you don't have much faith in the validity of Scripture.

In the future would you please remind me you consider secondary sources superior to Scripture. It then wouldn't be necessary for me to argue from Scripture with you.

[JHavard]

So you are saying He died Wed evening? That would make the ressurection Sat evening? It sounds like daytime hours in the Bible. That would cover three nights (wed, thur, fri) but not three days. (thur, fri, ?) If you counted sat then wouldn't the ressurection have to be the evening of sat because if you wait til Sun. you have 4 nights, right?

That's right Cindy, if Christ rose at dawn it would have been into the 4th day, but read Mat 18:1, He was already risen at dawn when the girls arrived. Lol

If Jesus was put into the Sepulchre just before sunset, say around 5:30pm in the evening, and He rose 72 hours later, he would have risen at 5:30PM Saturday evening just before the 1st day began.

I believe He actually rose right on the line between Sabbath, and the 1st day of the week, so even if it was a very end of the Sabbath Resurrection, it was still the 1st day of the week when he made all His appearances and made history as the first human to come back from a 3 day 3 night death.

JH :-)

[JHavard]

Sorry Cindy, I meant to give you this scripture in Mark.

Mark 16:1. And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
2. And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

JH :-)