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If you agree that you are part of a creation, please answer this question.

Was creation random or by a design?

1 posted on 09/09/2024 9:39:13 AM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: MosesKnows

Design. Answers in Genesis is a great resource for this type of information.


2 posted on 09/09/2024 9:44:16 AM PDT by sevinufnine
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Atheism is a religion. It requires the same leap of faith as any other religion.

Atheists too seem to have a vendetta against a particular religion which might be valid. Religions and churches and religious organizations can be very corrupt.

Churches can be their own worst enemies.

Yet, it is the message and not the messenger that is important.


3 posted on 09/09/2024 9:45:47 AM PDT by dhs12345
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My experience has been that most people who claim to be atheists are actually people who prayed for something and it didn’t happen.

They are angry because of that.

Then they tell everyone they are atheists because they are angry.

To acknowledge God as our creator would be to admit to themselves that they aren’t the perfect beings they think they are.

How could God not give them what they prayed for because they are perfect.


4 posted on 09/09/2024 9:46:59 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer” )
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To: MosesKnows

Perhaps a better question we should next ask is; was creation random or by design?

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Even if creation was random, what or who started this random process?


5 posted on 09/09/2024 9:48:08 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Leaving Abortion up to the States is like Leaving Slavery up to the States.)
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It’s kind of irrelevant. When I was an atheist, I was convinced that humans came from outer space. We are a unique species. No other animal has made an MRI machine. When I became a Christian, the Creation idea made sense.


6 posted on 09/09/2024 9:49:23 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Biden told Al Roker "America is back". Unfortunately, he meant back to the 1970's)
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If 100% random, it would always fail. Because all likelihoods are equally possible and that includes all of the failures.

And then success must follow success and success must follow success and over again and again a million times. Well a huge number of times to get to very complex beings like ourselves.

The statistical probability of a million successes in progression is an impossibility or an extremely low probability.

7 posted on 09/09/2024 9:50:35 AM PDT by dhs12345
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Well “creation” implies “creator” so no.

As for how it all came to be, dunno. Doesn’t matter. It’s fun to watch the scientists try to figure it out. But knowing that it’s a very challenging science, gleaning evidence from billions of years ago, I don’t expect any answers. Just neat space pictures and cool theories.


8 posted on 09/09/2024 9:51:18 AM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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‘Intellectualism and atheism are religions too, and their followers are often the biggest zealots.


10 posted on 09/09/2024 9:54:25 AM PDT by neverevergiveup
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Atheist is a term that is never used in the Bible. There is one scripture that defines a person who says there is no God.

“The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.”

If you do not believe in the Creator you are not an atheist, you are a fool.


12 posted on 09/09/2024 9:56:08 AM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals crazy!)
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Atheists would say we, sentient beings, are simply consequences of abiogenesis - random chemical reactions and energy changes in matter, which has always existed, randomly combining to create “life.”

Personally I find it very empty and logically meaningless. No atheist can explain how the natural world makes this jump from pure chemical reactions to “life” and sentient beings.

As a side note, the famous atheist Christopher Hitchens once said the only scientific fact which troubled his atheist belief system, was that the atoms and molecules which combine to create organic life ALL must to be exactly the weights and polarities they are. If they were different in the slightest, the “chemical reactions” of life simply could not exist at all. It seems there is some kind of non-random, “intelligent design” in even the most basic and fundamental building blocks of the universe.

He’s dead now, so we have no idea if by the end he overcame his stubborn pride and if his ideas changed.

Maybe God explained it to him before he dispatched him to Hell.


13 posted on 09/09/2024 9:57:13 AM PDT by PGR88
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The atheist position is that existence arose out of natural, material processes that did not involve a creator.


14 posted on 09/09/2024 9:59:20 AM PDT by Rockingham
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Everything is so fine-tuned that it’s impossible for a chance happening.


15 posted on 09/09/2024 10:06:18 AM PDT by roving (Deplorable Erectionists Listless Vessel )
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The physicist Lawrence Krauss wrote a book called "A Universe from Nothing" in which he tried to argue that there was no need for an outside Creator.

Most philosophers who have reviewed his book have determined that he failed in his attempt. His fellow scientists don't care, because they think philosophy is nonsense, and so they believe that Krauss has sent the knockout blow to theists.

Like most materialist theories, Krauss just assumes that the Laws of Physics existed from all time and that those laws show that a universe like ours will eventually pop up given enough time. But who or what set the initial Laws of Physics? Why are they the way they are?

String theorists claim that there can be up to 10^500 different sets of Laws of Physics based on how their strings are wriggling. So they claim that we just happen to be in a universe that works for humans. However, if String Theory is true (and it is increasingly being thought that it is NOT) who or what created these Strings or the laws that guided them?

Their arguments are really similar to the arguments the ancients made about what is holding up the Earth. An elephant. But what is holding up the elephant? A turtle. But what is holding up the turtle? It's turtles all the way down.

A lot of the materialists have decided that the existence of the universe is just a "brute fact" that we have to accept, i.e. shut up and do the math. They might even admit that the existence of the universe is not in their purview, but when asked what IS in the purview of this question, they will have no answer. They can't give any respect to philosophy or religion for fear it will undermine their materialist project.

18 posted on 09/09/2024 10:11:28 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (Kafka was an optimist.)
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"Was creation random or by a design?"

You must not be an engineer: nothing that works properly happens by accident.

By the way "creation" means designed and built by someone. Autogenesis is supposedly how something, somehow makes itself.

22 posted on 09/09/2024 10:37:41 AM PDT by Chainmail (You can vote your way into Socialism - but you will have to shoot your way out.)
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It also requires the belief that inert elements could magically combine into something as mind boggling complex as a living cell.


23 posted on 09/09/2024 10:40:51 AM PDT by circlecity
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If you agree that you are part of a creation, please answer this question.

Was creation random or by a design?

If "The Big Bang" theory still has credence, then Creation has to have been by design, as you then contemplate what existed before "The Big Bang".   It is pretty obvious to me.

44 posted on 09/09/2024 11:50:51 AM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! )
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I think it was Crick, co-discoverer of DNA that figured that no way that the DNA code just happened by chance. It was created. However, he couldn’t bring himself to think that God could do it - so aliens on another planet created it and sent it off their dying planet in hopes of repopulating elsewhere.

A few years ago I was reading about a new discovery about DNA. I don’t recall exactly, but I think they called it shadow DNA or something. There is actually twice as much info in a DNA strand than originally thought.


57 posted on 09/09/2024 12:25:00 PM PDT by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant - Never Fearful)
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Was creation random or by a design?

My opinion is that creation was by intelligent design and the main reason for that opinion is the vast complexities of the DNA language.

67 posted on 09/09/2024 12:38:22 PM PDT by MosesKnows
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Design-——Absolutely.
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Consider the Eye Ball or Mouse Trip.
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The second Law of Thermo Dynamics.
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It’s Complicated.


73 posted on 09/09/2024 12:48:33 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (ALL Things Will be Revealed !)
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I don’t believe in the existence of atheists.


74 posted on 09/09/2024 12:49:42 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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