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Richmond bishop halts only Latin Mass in Charlottesville while awaiting new dispensation from Rome
Life Site News ^ | July 1, 2024 | Louis Knuffke

Posted on 07/02/2024 5:04:54 AM PDT by Petrosius

Bishop Barry Knestout suspended the Latin Mass at Holy Comforter Catholic Church until receiving a renewal from the Vatican, but there are reports that Rome is ready to shut down all Traditional Masses not affiliated with an approved Ecclesia Dei institute.

CHARLOTTESVILLE, Virginia (LifeSiteNews) — The bishop of Richmond, Virginia is ending the Traditional Latin Mass in Charlottesville, Virginia, after the two-year permission given by Rome expires this week.

Bishop Barry Knestout informed Father Joseph Mary Lukyamuzi, the pastor of Holy Comforter Catholic Church in Charlottesville, that the “dispensation” granted in virtue of Traditionis custodes for the parish to offer the Traditional Latin Mass expires on July 5.

The bishop stated that he intends to renew the dispensation, but that until he receives the renewal, the parish cannot offer the old Mass. Instead, the Novus Ordo can be offered in Latin, Ad Orientem (facing east), an option already available for any priest not requiring special permission from the bishop.

Citing Traditionis Custodes, the bishop expressed his “confidence” that the pastor would lead the faithful toward the Novus Ordo as “the unique expression of the lex orandi of the Roman Rite.”

Per the bishop’s instruction, this past weekend saw the last Sunday Latin Mass on June 30. The parish will offer a final Tridentine Mass on Friday, July 5, at 6 p.m., as a votive Mass of the Sacred Heart. A parishioner told LifeSiteNews that Sunday’s Latin Mass was packed to overflowing.

In view of suppression of the old Mass, the pastor put out a questionnaire to parishioners asking how often families would attend a Novus Ordo in Latin ad orientem as a replacement of the Traditional Latin Mass.

The suppression of the Latin Mass in Charlottesville comes as reports from Rome confirm the Vatican is considering a more universal suppression of the Traditional Mass.

Vatican journalist Diane Montagna confirmed that a document further restricting the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM), backed by Vatican Secretary of State Cardinal Pietro Parolin, has been “presented to Pope Francis.”

According to “well-informed sources,” if published, the document would ban the offering of the TLM by all priests except those belonging to “approved ex-Ecclesia Dei institutes,” including the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter (FSSP) and the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest (ICKSP).

The document would “prohibit bishops from themselves celebrating or authorizing” the TLM, and “suspend existing permissions” for the Traditional Mass apart from those offered by ex-Ecclesia Dei communities.

LifeSiteNews has received information indicating that a likely date for these expected restrictions is July 16, the anniversary of the implementation of Traditionis Custodes.

The Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter and the Society of St. Pius X both offer the Traditional Latin Mass within the Diocese of Richmond. These groups and other Latin Mass Catholics were targeted by the FBI in their infamous “Richmond memo” as “radical traditional Catholics” who were a danger because of such things as their conservative, pro-life views, dubbed “extreme” by the aggressively pro-abortion Biden regime.

Bishop Knestout of Richmond strongly condemned the FBI memo against traditional Catholics.


TOPICS: Catholic; Worship
KEYWORDS: barryknestout; dictatorpope; homofascism; latinmass; sexualpredator; tlm
"Instead, the Novus Ordo can be offered in Latin, Ad Orientem (facing east), an option already available for any priest not requiring special permission from the bishop."

The good bishop is being a little disingenuous here. Such a form of the new Mass has in practice been forbidden for the past 50 years. If it had been available I do not believe that there would have been such interest in the old Mass. That said, I hope that all priests would take his words to heart and run with it, celebrating such a Mass in all the parishes.

1 posted on 07/02/2024 5:04:54 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

“Richmond bishop halts only Latin Mass in Charlottesville while awaiting new dispensation from Rome”

I thought they got paid from local contributions?


2 posted on 07/02/2024 5:18:43 AM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart, I just don't tell anyone)
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To: Petrosius
So, it took 450 years for the Catholic church to decide the Latin (Tridentine) Mass has become ill suited for the people/church. /s .

Is it fair to say the biggest objection to the Tridentine Mass is its use of Latin? If not, what is?

3 posted on 07/02/2024 5:32:52 AM PDT by JesusIsLord
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To: Petrosius

Is the FUBI still arresting people for going to Latin Mass?


4 posted on 07/02/2024 5:45:37 AM PDT by bray (It's not racist to be racist against races you do not like.)
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To: BobL

Dispensation is an exception from the law, not payment.


5 posted on 07/02/2024 5:56:11 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

This isn’t Harry Potter. There’s nothing magical about saying words in Latin. The TLM is the rite.


6 posted on 07/02/2024 6:00:02 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: JesusIsLord
The objection to the old Mass goes beyond just Latin. It is clearly an act of worship directed toward the Father, Jesus making his one sacrifice on the Cross present through the ministry of the priest. While this is still the official theology with the new Mass, the way that it is most often celebrated gives the impression that it is merely the action of the congregation joining together to give praise to God. Additionally, following the adage lex orandi lex credendi (the law of praying is the law of believing), the insistence on traditional forms highlights the binding force of traditional belief.
7 posted on 07/02/2024 6:04:16 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: pgyanke

See my post #7. This is about more than just Latin but the use of Latin highlights the universality and antiquity of the rites.


8 posted on 07/02/2024 6:06:50 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius
Such a form of the new Mass has in practice been forbidden for the past 50 years.

What does "in practice been forbidden" mean? Out of fashion and out of favor, sure.

Some bishops have attempted to ban, e.g., ad orientem, but the operative law from Rome (under the previous pontificate, but still in force AFAIK) is that a bishop cannot ban a licit option -- which ad orientem definitely is -- in the liturgy "just because he wants it that way". (Setting aside something like banning communion in both kinds due to the threat of a communicable illness.)

(On the topic of ad orientem specifically, the animus against it goes back to a passage in the General Instruction of the Roman Missal which was mistranslated from the Latin to say that "the celebration of Mass facing the people ... is to be preferred wherever possible". A careful study of the Latin genders of words shows that it clearly says "freestanding altars ... are to be preferred wherever possible" and the context refers to new construction, not requiring the wreckovation of old churches.)

If it had been available I do not believe that there would have been such interest in the old Mass.

The TLM fans will disagree with you on that one. For many people, you might be right.

Maybe I'm "too close to the action" as a church musician, but restoring Gregorian chant, traditional hymnody, ad orientem, and the use of the altar rail do a lot to make the NO tolerable.

9 posted on 07/02/2024 6:54:57 AM PDT by Campion (Everything is a grace, everything is the direct effect of our Father's love - Little Flower)
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To: Petrosius
the unique expression of the lex orandi of the Roman Rite

Someone with some serious theologian chops needs to take Rome to task over this canard. If they're saying the TLM is not a perfectly valid and wholesome expression of the lex orandi of the Roman Rite" then they're basically saying the Roman Rite changed its lex orandi, changed into a new religion about 1965 or so.

And all of the world's sedevacantists are saying, "See! We told you so!".

10 posted on 07/02/2024 6:58:42 AM PDT by Campion (Everything is a grace, everything is the direct effect of our Father's love - Little Flower)
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To: pgyanke

Francis is just as upside down as the rest of the world’s leaders. How about priests saying it in Pig Latin. Adding this to the ever growing list of why I left the Catholic Church.


11 posted on 07/02/2024 7:23:48 AM PDT by bgill (.)
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To: JesusIsLord
Is it fair to say the biggest objection to the Tridentine Mass is its use of Latin?

No, it is not.

If not, what is?

The "Tridentine" Mass much more perfectly exemplifies the Catholic teaching on the Real Presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist, and on the truly sacrificial nature of the Mass (or Divine Liturgy, if you prefer that term) than the rite introduced by Pope Paul VI. Certain parties within the Church do not actually believe the Catholic Teaching on the Real Presence or the true sacrifice, and accordingly wish to eliminate the Mass which more perfectly exemplifies them.

12 posted on 07/02/2024 7:40:46 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Campion
You are correct, in theory, that a bishop cannot ban a licit option. However, for the past 50 years any priest who would attempt to celebrate the new Mass in a traditional manner—Latin, ad orientem, kneeling for Communion, etc.—would find himself on the chopping block, without assignment and perhaps even suspended. I know from personal experience.
13 posted on 07/02/2024 7:45:16 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius
"Any priest for the past 50 years" is painting with a very broad brush. I go to a parish that does all three of those things. Our bishop (a +Francis appointee!) knows and approves of it.

(It helps that we are in the middle of downtown in a major city; nobody lives there, so if we are to have a congregation for Sunday Mass we need to be a little ... different.)

14 posted on 07/02/2024 8:46:50 AM PDT by Campion (Everything is a grace, everything is the direct effect of our Father's love - Little Flower)
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To: NorthMountain; JesusIsLord
You may be correct at a deeper level.

On the surface, though, it appears to be more like an excessive devotion to VCII, to the exclusion of and in opposition to everything else in Catholic history. Add to that the (actually highly debatable) claim that the NO is the Mass which implements the "vision" of VCII, and you get to where we are.

15 posted on 07/02/2024 8:50:38 AM PDT by Campion (Everything is a grace, everything is the direct effect of our Father's love - Little Flower)
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To: Petrosius

It hasn’t been forbidden to offer the Novus Ordo Mass in Latin. I attended such a Mass years ago in San Francisco when I was there for a conference. It was reverently done and I didn’t notice any errors in pronouncing the Latin, but still not the same as the Tridentine Mass.


16 posted on 07/02/2024 11:53:21 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Campion; Verginius Rufus

Isolated exceptions do not invalidate a general rule. There may be a Latin Novus Ordo Mass here and there, but as a general rule it is not allowed and is not widespread, although I do admit that it is getting better.


17 posted on 07/02/2024 12:00:32 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Campion

I think both perspectives are valid.


18 posted on 07/02/2024 5:21:46 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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