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"Instead, the Novus Ordo can be offered in Latin, Ad Orientem (facing east), an option already available for any priest not requiring special permission from the bishop."

The good bishop is being a little disingenuous here. Such a form of the new Mass has in practice been forbidden for the past 50 years. If it had been available I do not believe that there would have been such interest in the old Mass. That said, I hope that all priests would take his words to heart and run with it, celebrating such a Mass in all the parishes.

1 posted on 07/02/2024 5:04:54 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

“Richmond bishop halts only Latin Mass in Charlottesville while awaiting new dispensation from Rome”

I thought they got paid from local contributions?


2 posted on 07/02/2024 5:18:43 AM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart, I just don't tell anyone)
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So, it took 450 years for the Catholic church to decide the Latin (Tridentine) Mass has become ill suited for the people/church. /s .

Is it fair to say the biggest objection to the Tridentine Mass is its use of Latin? If not, what is?

3 posted on 07/02/2024 5:32:52 AM PDT by JesusIsLord
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Is the FUBI still arresting people for going to Latin Mass?


4 posted on 07/02/2024 5:45:37 AM PDT by bray (It's not racist to be racist against races you do not like.)
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This isn’t Harry Potter. There’s nothing magical about saying words in Latin. The TLM is the rite.


6 posted on 07/02/2024 6:00:02 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: Petrosius
Such a form of the new Mass has in practice been forbidden for the past 50 years.

What does "in practice been forbidden" mean? Out of fashion and out of favor, sure.

Some bishops have attempted to ban, e.g., ad orientem, but the operative law from Rome (under the previous pontificate, but still in force AFAIK) is that a bishop cannot ban a licit option -- which ad orientem definitely is -- in the liturgy "just because he wants it that way". (Setting aside something like banning communion in both kinds due to the threat of a communicable illness.)

(On the topic of ad orientem specifically, the animus against it goes back to a passage in the General Instruction of the Roman Missal which was mistranslated from the Latin to say that "the celebration of Mass facing the people ... is to be preferred wherever possible". A careful study of the Latin genders of words shows that it clearly says "freestanding altars ... are to be preferred wherever possible" and the context refers to new construction, not requiring the wreckovation of old churches.)

If it had been available I do not believe that there would have been such interest in the old Mass.

The TLM fans will disagree with you on that one. For many people, you might be right.

Maybe I'm "too close to the action" as a church musician, but restoring Gregorian chant, traditional hymnody, ad orientem, and the use of the altar rail do a lot to make the NO tolerable.

9 posted on 07/02/2024 6:54:57 AM PDT by Campion (Everything is a grace, everything is the direct effect of our Father's love - Little Flower)
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the unique expression of the lex orandi of the Roman Rite

Someone with some serious theologian chops needs to take Rome to task over this canard. If they're saying the TLM is not a perfectly valid and wholesome expression of the lex orandi of the Roman Rite" then they're basically saying the Roman Rite changed its lex orandi, changed into a new religion about 1965 or so.

And all of the world's sedevacantists are saying, "See! We told you so!".

10 posted on 07/02/2024 6:58:42 AM PDT by Campion (Everything is a grace, everything is the direct effect of our Father's love - Little Flower)
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It hasn’t been forbidden to offer the Novus Ordo Mass in Latin. I attended such a Mass years ago in San Francisco when I was there for a conference. It was reverently done and I didn’t notice any errors in pronouncing the Latin, but still not the same as the Tridentine Mass.


16 posted on 07/02/2024 11:53:21 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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