Posted on 04/23/2024 4:02:15 PM PDT by grumpa
F. QUESTIONS ABOUT THE “END OF THE AGE” AND “LAST DAYS” —
1. In such passages as Matthew 13:39-40; 13:49; 24:3; 28:20; etc., isn’t Jesus referring to the end of an age (Greek aion) rather than the end of the world (Greek kosmos)? In other words, if the author was talking about the end of the world, wouldn’t he have used kosmos when he actually used aion?
2. The “time of the end” mentioned in Daniel 12:1-13 was to be when the burnt offering was taken away. Since burnt offerings ended in AD 70, must not this be the timeline, thus the “last days” of which the Bible speaks?
3. Doesn’t every mention of the last days in the New Testament refer to the first century, thus the last days of the old covenant rather than the end of the physical universe? (Matthew 24:3, 14, 34; Acts 2:14-20; 1 Corinthians 7:29-31; 10:11; 1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Timothy 3:1-5; Hebrews 1:2; 9:26; James 5:3-9; 1 Peter 1:5, 20; 4:7; 2 Peter 3:3; 1 John 2:18; Jude 18).
G. QUESTIONS ABOUT THE RAPTURE AND THE TRIBULATION—
1. What verse of Scripture do you find that Christ will come for his saints to take them to heaven prior to a 7-year period of tribulation?
2. Is there any verse in the Bible that even teaches a “seven-year tribulation?”
3. If Jesus is going to rapture the church out of the world, why does Jesus pray for the exact opposite thing to happen—that the church would NOT be taken out of the world—in John 17:15?
4. Is eschatology so confusing that God would have us bounce around between somewhere (hades/”temporary abode”), heaven, earth, new heaven and new earth? Wouldn’t you want to stay in heaven when you get there?
5. Doesn’t the Jewish War of 66-70 AD qualify as a great tribulation, given that that over a million Jews were killed, their nation was dissolved, their temple decimated, and along with it went their whole world order and the centerpiece of their religion—the centuries old system of animal sacrifices for sin?
6. DIDN’T JESUS SPECIFICALLY SAY THE TRIBULATION WOULD HAPPEN IN HIS GENERATION (Matthew 24:9, 21, 29, 34)? Isn’t every time the phrase “this generation” used in the New Testament outside of the Oliver Discourse, the meaning is clearly those living in the first century (Matthew 11:16; 12:38-45; 23:36; Mark 8:12; 8:38-9:1; Luke 7:31; 11:29-32, 49-51; 17:25).
7. If the great tribulation (Matthew 24:21) is global, why did Jesus tell those living in Judea to flee to the mountains to avoid the tribulation (Matthew 24:16)?
8. Doesn’t Daniel tell us exactly when the time of distress (12:1), the resurrection (12:2), the time of the end (12:9), and the abomination of desolation (12:11)—all occur when the power of the holy people has finally been broken (12:7) and the burnt offering taken away (12:11)? Can there be ANY doubt that this was AD 70?
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. DIDN’T JESUS SPECIFICALLY SAY THE TRIBULATION WOULD HAPPEN IN HIS GENERATION
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Well, Jesus is God, so His generation is of infinite length.
Now that’s a new take on “this generation.”
The questions are ones you could *easily* find online.
1. fathered, birth, nativity
2. that which has been begotten, men of the same stock, a family
a. the several ranks of natural descent, the successive members of a genealogy
b. metaph. a group of men very like each other in endowments, pursuits, character
i. esp. in a bad sense, a perverse nation
3. the whole multitude of men living at the same time
4. an age (i.e. the time ordinarily occupied be each successive generation), a space of 30 - 33 years
https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/kjv/genea.html
So Jesus could have been saying that the people alive at the time won't die out (definition #3 like we think of "generation"), or He could have been saying that they will have descendants still living at that time (their family lineage won't be wiped out) (definition #2).
I lean towards definition #2. The Jews won't be wiped out before the tribulation.
“ Luke 21:29–33 (WUESTNT): Thus also as for you. When you see these things taking place, you know that the kingdom of God is imminent. Assuredly I am saying to you, This race shall positively not pass away until all takes place”
Literal Greek
Genea is generation. Genoa is race—different word. Genea is in the text.
Simply show us recorded events of people witnessing the Second Coming post 70 AD. Surely it made the local paper.
Only the biggest event in all of history, the Second Coming of Christ, and no one in the church writes about it??
With the Second Coming having transpired...per you, but not Scripture....has death been defeated for those who may have become believers after the Second Coming? Do they go to Heaven? Is there a resurrection for them...and that would include us as well.
Has Satan been slain?
Was Satan tossed into the Lake of Fire? If so, please account for all of the evil in the world since 70 AD.
If the restrainer, that being the Holy Spirit, was removed to make way for anti-Christ, how are people saved if the Spirit is not here to move people to salvation?
Who were the two witnesses that prophesied for 1,260 days and clothed in sackcloth?
Please account for the Battle of Armageddon. Where was this fought? Who were the opponents?
For your answers....no links to your blog site or anyone else's site. I want to know what YOU think about these questions.
Do you really believe the nonsense you post or are you actually working for the father of lies, who just coincidentally is able to quote Scripture for his own use.
Literal Greek is race.
But again, I point out your lack of theological education…
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We have no witnesses in history recording this.
OBJECTION: If Jesus has already come, people would have seen Him. ANSWER: How do you think of the Second Coming of Jesus? As a five-foot-five Jewish man―with long hair and ancient Jewish clothing (like the paintings), literally riding on a cloud down to earth―perhaps on a white horse?
Many Christians have misunderstood what Jesus meant by his Parousia (his “Second Coming”) because they do not know their Old Testament. He was not to come physically, but rather to “come” in the sense of judging the apostate old covenant Jewish nation—just as God came multiple times in the Old Testament to judge the Jews or their enemies. Compare the language in the Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24:29-31) or John’s Apocalypse (Revelation 6:12-17) to the apocalyptic language set in cosmic expressions in the Old Testament of past judgments by God. Here are just a few of them:
Isaiah 13:10-13 (against Babylon),
Isaiah 34:4 (against Edom),
Ezekiel 32:7-8; Isaiah 19:1 (against Egypt),
In these instances, nobody saw YHWH, but certainly saw the effects of his coming. Jesus came similarly―in the manner and at the time predicted in the New Testament. See the article “What Does the Bible Say about the Nature of the Second Coming”: https://prophecyquestions.com/what-does-the-bible-say-about-the-nature-of-jesus-second-coming
Furthermore.
How did Nero implement and enforce The Mark of The Beast prior to 70AD?
Mayans, Chinese, Asiatic and American Native Tribes all would have had to be subjugated to worship his “image” and him.
I get crickets every time I ask that question.
Preterists are psychopaths.
Re “this generation.”
OBJECTION: In Matthew 24:34, Jesus meant “that” generation rather than “this” generation as the text reads―i.e. some future generation that will witness all the things listed in the chapter. ANSWER: A straight-forward reading of the text indicates that these prophecies would be fulfilled while some hearing Jesus’ words in the first century were still alive. No other conclusion is possible without doing violence to the text. But to confirm that it refers to the first century contemporaries of Jesus we need only to look at the other times the phrase “this generation” is used in the New Testament. It ALWAYS refers to those living in the first century. There is no serious disagreement on these other passages. Here are all the times the phrase is used outside of the Olivet Discourse. Look up these passages for yourself:
Matthew: 11:16-24; 12:38-45; 16:4; 17:17; 23:35-36; Mark: 8:12; 8:38-9:1; 9:19, and Luke: 7:31; 9:41; 11:29-32, 49-51; 17:25; Acts: 2:40.
27“Then they will see THE SON OF MAN COMING IN A CLOUD with power and great glory. Luke 21:27 NASB
Chuck says this.
How do you think of the Second Coming of Jesus? As a five-foot-five Jewish man―with long hair and ancient Jewish clothing (like the paintings), literally riding on a cloud down to earth―perhaps on a white horse?
I guess when Scripture is against your position you have to resort to this kind of an uninspired answer.
When you see the phase “this generation,” ask yourself, the question, “which generation?” We can look the word “generation” in Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the NT, and we can see that the Greek word is “genea.” It says, “The whole multitude of men living at the same time.” Also we find in William F. Arndt and Wilber Gingrich, A Greek-English Lexicon of the NT and Other Early Christian Literature: “basically, the sum total of those born at the same time, expanded to include all those living at a given time. Contemporaries.”
More on genea (generation)
The KJV translates Strong’s G1074 in the following manner: generation (37x), time (2x), age (2x), nation (1x).
If God had meant “race” in Mt 24:34 it makes sense that He would have used the Greek word gnos rather than genea:
https://biblehub.com/greek/1085.htm
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