Grace saves us from what, exactly, if not the Law? If we are saved by Grace, then we are not judged by the Law.
However, if we reject that Grace (before or after our salvation), we are then judged by the Law--which we all fail.
Posted on 11/25/2023 4:22:12 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal
People can use the bible to justify any position they want when they take words out of context, or read into the text what is not there.
On April 22, 2014, a new attack on the reliability and perspicuity of Scripture was released. “God and the Gay Christian” was a book that sought to teach readers that the Bible condones living a monogamous homosexual lifestyle. That attack continues today in the church.
The author was Matthew Vines, openly homosexual man and a professing Christian. Being an openly practicing homosexual and claiming to be a Christian often means the person has an agenda to attempt to make the Words of Scripture fit with his worldview. This was certainly the case with Matthew Vines. His attitude toward Scripture was like that of Christians who believe in evolution and millions of years, and thus reinterpret the clear words of Genesis to fit their already held beliefs. It is compromise right down the line. We do pray the church realizes this!
Sadly, a number of Christian leaders offered their praise of Vines’s book.
(snip)
I believe it is important to boldly stand against the ideas Matthew Vines promoted in the book by saying unequivocally that the book “God and the Gay Christian” is dangerous to Christianity.
(Excerpt) Read more at harbingersdaily.com ...
Grace saves us from what, exactly, if not the Law? If we are saved by Grace, then we are not judged by the Law.
However, if we reject that Grace (before or after our salvation), we are then judged by the Law--which we all fail.
He saved us from the CURSE of the law, an automatic death sentence.
Saved by grace, THEN, judged by the law.
If there is no law, then there is no sin. (and only a dope would believe that there is no sin in this world).
Romans 3:24-25 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of SINS THAT ARE PAST, through the forbearance of God.
2 Peter 1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his OLD SINS.
Hebrews 9:15For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free FROM THE SINS COMMITTED UNDER THE FIRST COVENANT.
The works ‘salvation’ you described reads very Islamic.
Hope their “works” outweigh their sins. 😁
I’m very “redneck” Protestant then if that is the case :)
I remember reading some Catholic prophesy book about Mary being too good to die as a child and that God loved her so much she ascended to heaven. Of course that isn’t in the Bible, but it reads like a lot of their other propaganda.
Why are you continuing to argue with a heathen idolater who actually believes that the Apostle Paul is in hell based on his own writings on Salvation?
It’s fun to poke the ignorant sometimes, but this dude actually believe his insane posts.
I know—my post was mainly meant for others who may be reading.
Are we to be cognizant of our sins and repent, or not?
So what are your stats? The fact that I don’t even know how to find them tells me a lot.
Sure; but the idea presented was whether we RETAIN our salvation by 'good works' or by believing that only trust in Christ can do that.
Elsie has made his position on salvation very clear over the years. Repentance for sins has absolutely no bearing on salvation. All one has to do is BELIEVE. Sin and God’s law is for the unsaved. Then again, why would the unsaved even care about God’s law? Let’s ask Elsie.
He just keeps posting THIS:
John 6:25-40
25 When they found him on the other side of the lake, they asked him, “Rabbi, when did you get here?”
26 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs I performed but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. 27 Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”
28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?” (direct question)
29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” (direct answer)
30 So they asked him, “What sign then will you give that we may see it and believe you? What will you do? 31 Our ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written: ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’[c]”
32 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is the bread that comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”
34 “Sir,” they said, “always give us this bread.”
35 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. 37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”
Romans 3:24-25 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of SINS THAT ARE PAST, through the forbearance of God.
2 Peter 1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his OLD SINS.
Hebrews 9:15For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free FROM THE SINS COMMITTED UNDER THE FIRST COVENANT.
“Believing” is present-tense. And “active” voice.
——>“Believing” is present-tense. And “active” voice.
Good observation.
Elsie also doesn’t believe in the New Covenant. He says it’s only for literal/physical Israel/Jews. Can you imagine that, a professed Christian who doesn’t believe in the New Covenant, even though Christ specifically mentions it in the last supper?
Matthew 26:27Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
I did?
Where?
Mentioned; but didn't define.
Show this 'new' contract to folks.
Why would Christ give us commandments He knows we cannot fulfill?
The other side (Elsie, RWC, Metmom, etc...), all claiming to be Christians, will tell you (not sure Elsie will admit to it, because he’s often vague and ambiguous) that God’s law, including the 10 commandments, was nailed to the cross, and plays no part in salvation after grace. They say that after “grace”, nothing a Christian does after that will in any way affect their salvation. I have often posted Ravi Zacharias as the golden poster boy of that principle. They say that all one has to do is “BELIEVE”, and they are in like Flint. Sin can’t touch them after that. Many claim that they actually can’t sin. They say that even if they can sin, it’s their flesh sinning, and not their Spirit. Therefore, they are immune and will be in heaven, no matter what sins they may commit over the rest of their lives. Doesn’t matter if they repent or not. One of these FR Christians actually told me that God’s law only applies to the “unsaved”. Unbelievable. They also believe that they are also already judged. Their mantra is “once saved, always saved/once judged, always judged, which is the belief system of the Nicolaitans, which God hates.
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