JESUS MEANT WHAT HE SAID

Catholic Answers Magazine ^ | October 2022 | KARLO BROUSSARD

[wita]

Heck; they could do this if it WAS scripture; too!

Amen to both.

Then there are how many definitions of “Scripture”.

I suggest the only applicable definition would be out of the heavens from the only dictionary that matters.

I don’t have one, do you?

[wita]

If I follow it’s directions; I’ll end up where planned.

Apparently you are unaware of what has been going on in Western Wyoming in winter on I-80. GPS has been leading vehicles off the Interstate to county roads during bad weather leading to a rescue situation. Unfortunately it is either a myth, or my search skills are lacking because I can no longer find the article.

[Trump_Triumphant]

Thanks.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Some feedback on your post Adsum...

--> Instead of going to the authority of God's inspired Word, you are basing your eternal destiny on CCC quotes.

-->CCC 182 - We believe all that which is contained in the word of God, written or handed down, and which the Church proposes for belief as divinely revealed

Totally false. Romanism believes parts of the Scripture. If you attend Mass every time for a year, you will not even be exposed to all the Scripture. Much is left out. Much is explained away to neuter it's meaning.

--> the Church has constantly confessed this one faith, received from the one Lord

Totally false. Most key beliefs of Romanism were added multiple centuries later.

This will get you started.

300 AD - Prayers for the dead
300 AD - Making sign of the cross
320 AD - Special dress code of the clergy in worship
379 AD - Praying to Mary & Saints
416 AD - Infant baptism by immersion commanded of all infants 
​526 AD - Extreme Unction (last rites)
607 AD - First Pope: Boniface III is the first person to take the title of 
"universal Bishop" by decree of Emperor Phocas
850 AD - Burning of Holy Candles
995 AD - Canonization of dead saints, first by Pope John XV
1009 AD - Holy water
1022 AD - Penance
1215 AD - Transubstantiation by Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council
1268 AD - Priestly power of absolution- CONFESSION of sin to a priest
1414 AD - Laity no longer offered Lord's cup at communion (Council of Constance)
1439 AD - Doctrine of Seven Sacraments affirmed
1545 AD - Man-made traditions of church made equal to Bible (Council of Trent)
1546 AD - Justification by human works of merit
1854 AD - Immaculate conception of Mary
1870 AD - Infallibility of Pope (Vatican council)
1950 AD - Assumption of the body of the Virgin Mary into heaven shortly 
after her death. (Pope Pius XII)

[we don't have a written record of when Rome decided to allow homosexuality in the church as a practice]

None of this practiced by an Apostle, never appeared in practice by Christians before 100 AD when the Apostles were alive, never appears in Scripture, never taught, modeled, participated in by the first century church.

And again, we come full circle.

Do you really want to be saved??

[Hebrews 11:6]

As I was reading your beautifully written argument, I decided to send you what I've included below. Then lo and behold you added it yourself!

"Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life."

There is a lovely internal cherry on top of this. If you have "the Son", you know Him intimately and have no need to be told who he is. But if you do "not have the Son of God", you are estranged from him and must be told whose Son he is.

[Elsie]

And that of Paul, We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. (2 Corinthians 5:8)
For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: (Philippians 1:23)
In whose "presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore." (Psalms 16:11)

Sure; sooner or later.

We've been told that THIS body we now inhabit will NOT be in Heaven.

1 Corinthians 15:35 New International Version

But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?”

1 Corinthians 15:50-54 King James Version

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

[Elsie]

Speaking for myself; I'd rather trust multiple streams of historical documents, each slightly differing in small details, with evidence stretching back thousands of years, than a single sourced book, from only one man, to hang my eternal soul's safety upon.

And that 'source' is nowhere to be found today!

[Elsie]

And that 'source' is nowhere to be found today!

At least English speaking folks get the 'true' translation, any other language that the Book of Mormon is translated into is now a translation of a translation.

Them fancy googles that Joseph Smith used are now just gathering dust.

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The translation instruments included the “interpreters” or “Urim and Thummim”—two clear stones fastened in a metal rim so that Joseph could look through them.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/liahona/2020/04/youth/what-do-you-say-when-your-friends-dont-believe-that-things-like-the-first-vision-could-happen/how-did-joseph-smith-translate-the-book-of-mormon?lang=eng

[Elsie]

What words?

[Elsie]

I hear ya on that one!!

[Elsie]

Speaking of Wyoming...

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Cowboy Poetry

by Bill Jones

 

 

 

Jake, the rancher, went one day
to fix a distant fence.
The wind was cold and gusty
and the clouds rolled gray and dense.

As he pounded the last staples in
and gathered tools to go,
The temperature had fallen,
the wind and snow began to blow.

When he finally reached his pickup,
he felt a heavy heart.
From the sound of that ignition,
he knew it wouldn't start.

So Jake did what most of us
would do if we had been there.
He humbly bowed his balding head
and sent aloft a prayer.

As he turned the key for the last time,
he softly cursed his luck.
They found him three days later,
frozen stiff in that old truck.

Now Jake had been around in life
and done his share of roaming.
But when he saw Heaven, he was shocked --
it looked just like Wyoming!

Of all the saints in Heaven,
his favorite was St. Peter.
(Now, this line ain't needed
but it helps with rhyme and meter)

So they set and talked a minute or two,
or maybe it was three.
Nobody was keeping' score --
in Heaven time is free.

"I've always heard," Jake said to Pete,
"that God will answer prayer,
But one time I asked for help,
well, he just plain wasn't there."

"Does God answer prayers of some,
and ignore the prayers of others?
That don't seem exactly square --
I know all men are brothers."

"Or does he randomly reply,
without good rhyme or reason?
Maybe, it's the time of day,
the weather or the season."

"Now I ain't trying to act smart,
it's just the way I feel.
And I was wondering', could you tell me --
what the heck's the deal?!"

Peter listened very patiently
and when Jake was done,
There were smiles of recognition,
and he said, "So, you're the one!!"

"That day your truck, it wouldn't start,
and you sent your prayer a flying,
You gave us all a real bad time,
with hundreds of us trying."

"A thousand angels rushed,
to check the status of your file,
But you know, Jake, we hadn't heard
from you in quite a long while."

"And though all prayers are answered,
and God ain't got no quota,
He didn't recognize your voice,
and started a truck in Minnesota."

[Elsie]

Some GPSes are more truthful than others.

[Elsie]

Sadly; many religions claim that GOD has no son.

[Hebrews 11:6]

Can’t be God’s Son’s brother, then.

[wita]

Very good.

[ADSUM]

“There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.”

Bishop Fulton J. Sheen

There are many that say they believe in the Bible, yet do not have the knowledge to fully understand the Bible or attempt to ignore the meaning.

At the Last Supper, Jesus promised the apostles that the Father “will give you another Counselor, to be with you forever . . . the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you. . . . He will guide you into all the truth” (John 14:16, 26; 16:13).

Before his ascension, Jesus instructed the apostles, “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age” (Matt. 28:19–20).

Some will not accept the teaching authority that Jesus gave to His Apostles and Church or even acknowledge that only the Catholic church was established by Jesús and will continue until the end of time.

So it is not surprising that your list indicates a lack of ability or understanding to find them in Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture.

Perhaps you could find them if you searched in Catholic Answers (catholic.com)?

For example:
“ the classical passage in II Maccabees, xii, 40-46. When Judas and his men came to take away for burial the bodies of their brethren who had fallen in the battle against Gorgias, “they found under the coats of the slain some of the donaries of the idols of Jamnia, which the law forbiddeth to the Jews: so that all plainly saw, that for this cause they were slain. Then they all blessed the just judgment of the Lord, who had discovered the things that were hidden. And so betaking themselves to prayers, they besought him, that the sin which had been committed might be forgotten . And making a gathering, he [Judas] sent twelve [al. two] thousand drachms of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection (for if he had not hoped that they that were slain should rise again, it would have seemed superfluous and vain to pray for the dead), and because he considered that they who had fallen asleep in godliness, had great grace laid up for them. It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.” For Catholics who accept this book as canonical, this passage leaves nothing to be desired. The inspired author expressly approves Judas’s action in this particular case, and recommends in general terms the practice of prayers for the dead. There is no contradiction in the particular case between the conviction that a sin had been committed, calling down the penalty of death, and the hope that the sinners had nevertheless died in godliness—an opportunity for penance had intervened.”
https://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/prayers-for-the-dead

As several books did not match protestant beliefs, they deleted certain books even though they accepted others approved by the Catholic Church teaching authority.

Your protestant spin without authority is based on man’s beliefs inspired by Satan.

In his Second Epistle to Timothy (i, 16-18; iv, 19) St. Paul speaks of Onesiphorus in a way that seems obviously to imply that the latter was already dead: “The Lord give mercy to the house of Onesiphorus “—as to a family in need of consolation. Then, after mention of loyal services rendered by him to the imprisoned Apostle at Rome, comes the prayer for Onesiphorus himself

The sign of the Cross is a prayer passed down by early Christians. Too bad many reject this simple prayer that the profess our redemption and the Trinity.

Many protestant biblical scholars have questioned protestant beliefs and found God’s Truth in the Mass and the Sacraments at the Catholic Church. Check out the story of Dr. Scott Hahn’s conversion.

You keep asking the same protestant question, that perhaps you may have fears about your own salvation?

[Elsie]

 

15 'promises' from whom??? 

  1. Whoever shall faithfully serve me
  2. I promise 
  5. The soul which recommends itself to me
  9. I shall 
11. You shall obtain all you ask of me
12. All those who propagate the Holy Rosary shall be aided by me
13.I have obtained
15. Devotion of my Rosary 

 

Versus...

 

Isaiah 53

Who has believed our message
    and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
² He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
    and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
    nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
³ He was despised and rejected by mankind,
    a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
    he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

Surely he took up our pain
    and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
    stricken by him, and afflicted.
⁵ But he was pierced for our transgressions,
    he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
    and by his wounds we are healed.
⁶ We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
    each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
    the iniquity of us all.

⁷ He was oppressed and afflicted,
    yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
    and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
    so he did not open his mouth.
⁸ By oppression^[a] and judgment he was taken away.
    Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
    for the transgression of my people he was punished.^[b]
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
    and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
    nor was any deceit in his mouth.

Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
    and though the Lord makes^[c] his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
    and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
¹¹ After he has suffered,
    he will see the light of life^[d] and be satisfied^[e];
by his knowledge^[f] my righteous servant will justify many,
    and he will bear their iniquities.
¹² Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,^[g]
    and he will divide the spoils with the strong,^[h]
because he poured out his life unto death,
    and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
    and made intercession for the transgressors.

 

 

[aMorePerfectUnion]

You shifted the goalpost when it was demonstrated your CCC statement was false.

Here it is again.

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--> the Church has constantly confessed this one faith, received from the one Lord

Totally false. Most key beliefs of Romanism were added multiple centuries later.

This will get you started.

300 AD - Prayers for the dead
300 AD - Making sign of the cross
320 AD - Special dress code of the clergy in worship
379 AD - Praying to Mary & Saints
416 AD - Infant baptism by immersion commanded of all infants 
​526 AD - Extreme Unction (last rites)
607 AD - First Pope: Boniface III is the first person to take the title of 
"universal Bishop" by decree of Emperor Phocas
850 AD - Burning of Holy Candles
995 AD - Canonization of dead saints, first by Pope John XV
1009 AD - Holy water
1022 AD - Penance
1215 AD - Transubstantiation by Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council
1268 AD - Priestly power of absolution- CONFESSION of sin to a priest
1414 AD - Laity no longer offered Lord's cup at communion (Council of Constance)
1439 AD - Doctrine of Seven Sacraments affirmed
1545 AD - Man-made traditions of church made equal to Bible (Council of Trent)
1546 AD - Justification by human works of merit
1854 AD - Immaculate conception of Mary
1870 AD - Infallibility of Pope (Vatican council)
1950 AD - Assumption of the body of the Virgin Mary into heaven shortly 
after her death. (Pope Pius XII)

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The rest of your post was made of verses stitched together to prove something, which sadly failed.

II Maccabees was rejected by Jews as well as many Church Fathers as inspired, never quoted by Christ, and includes the heresy of offering money for the sins of the dead. As such, soundly rejected as Scripture.

Onesiphorus

Here you grasp at straws to try to spin them into prayers for the dead. I got a kick out of this. Good try Adsum!

Onesiphorus is only mentioned twice in the Bible, both times in the epistle of 2 Timothy.

Early in the epistle, Paul writes a prayer of blessing upon Onesiphorus: “May the Lord show mercy to the household of Onesiphorus, because he often refreshed me and was not ashamed of my chains. On the contrary, when he was in Rome, he searched hard for me until he found me. May the Lord grant that he will find mercy from the Lord on that day! You know very well in how many ways he helped me in Ephesus” (2 Timothy 1:16–18).

Onesiphorus showed Paul Mercy.
Paul wishes that God may show mercy to Onesiphorus in the future.

Not dead.

At the end of the letter, Paul sends greetings to “the household of Onesiphorus” (2 Timothy 4:19).

Rome didn't institutionalize "prayers for the dead until ~300ad, hundreds of years later, as most of the false teachings of Rome. The incorporation of pagan beliefs were backfilled in pieces whereever they could make it sound as if true. Never the less, no Apostle ever practiced those things, nor commanded, nor taught them. It isn't the Apostolic Faith, but the Peristaltic Faith of paganism.

So it is not surprising that your list indicates a lack of ability or understanding to find them in Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture.

Heresy and specifically pagan heretical additions are not in Scripture. Ever.

Many protestant biblical scholars have questioned protestant beliefs and found God’s Truth in the Mass and the Sacraments at the Catholic Church. Check out the story of Dr. Scott Hahn’s conversion.

I am happy for Scott to worship wherever he wishes. His articles are attempts to justify abandoning Scripture and his handling of the Word is weak. I do not know him. I suspect his motivations to become a Romanian are not Biblical. That's fine for him. For those who follow the Word and faith delivered by the Apostles and the Gospel of Grace, they will not find it in Rome. Sadly.

You keep asking the same protestant question, that perhaps you may have fears about your own salvation?

I ask because if you pursue rituals and useless works (see above) and pretend Rome is a source of truth, you will miss the Gospel of Grace - the very reason Christ came - and with it you will miss the one opportunity you have to spend eternity with God in heaven.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

sorry, meant to ping you

[daniel1212]

Meaning without the small text, you would be close to Caths making the uninspired words of men, as chosen and interpreted by their self-proclaimed by the one true church - even if not written by hundreds of years - definitive of what the NT church believed, more so than the wholly God-inspired and substantive body of writings, consistent with how the NT church began.