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To: ADSUM; metmom; daniel1212; Mark17; Elsie; boatbums
Some feedback on your post Adsum...

--> Instead of going to the authority of God's inspired Word, you are basing your eternal destiny on CCC quotes.

-->CCC 182 - We believe all that which is contained in the word of God, written or handed down, and which the Church proposes for belief as divinely revealed

Totally false. Romanism believes parts of the Scripture. If you attend Mass every time for a year, you will not even be exposed to all the Scripture. Much is left out. Much is explained away to neuter it's meaning.

--> the Church has constantly confessed this one faith, received from the one Lord

Totally false. Most key beliefs of Romanism were added multiple centuries later.

This will get you started.

300 AD - Prayers for the dead
300 AD - Making sign of the cross
320 AD - Special dress code of the clergy in worship
379 AD - Praying to Mary & Saints
416 AD - Infant baptism by immersion commanded of all infants 
​526 AD - Extreme Unction (last rites)
607 AD - First Pope: Boniface III is the first person to take the title of 
"universal Bishop" by decree of Emperor Phocas
850 AD - Burning of Holy Candles
995 AD - Canonization of dead saints, first by Pope John XV
1009 AD - Holy water
1022 AD - Penance
1215 AD - Transubstantiation by Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council
1268 AD - Priestly power of absolution- CONFESSION of sin to a priest
1414 AD - Laity no longer offered Lord's cup at communion (Council of Constance)
1439 AD - Doctrine of Seven Sacraments affirmed
1545 AD - Man-made traditions of church made equal to Bible (Council of Trent)
1546 AD - Justification by human works of merit
1854 AD - Immaculate conception of Mary
1870 AD - Infallibility of Pope (Vatican council)
1950 AD - Assumption of the body of the Virgin Mary into heaven shortly 
after her death. (Pope Pius XII)

[we don't have a written record of when Rome decided to allow homosexuality in the church as a practice]

None of this practiced by an Apostle, never appeared in practice by Christians before 100 AD when the Apostles were alive, never appears in Scripture, never taught, modeled, participated in by the first century church.

And again, we come full circle.

Do you really want to be saved??

344 posted on 10/09/2023 3:06:58 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

“There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.”

Bishop Fulton J. Sheen

There are many that say they believe in the Bible, yet do not have the knowledge to fully understand the Bible or attempt to ignore the meaning.

At the Last Supper, Jesus promised the apostles that the Father “will give you another Counselor, to be with you forever . . . the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you. . . . He will guide you into all the truth” (John 14:16, 26; 16:13).

Before his ascension, Jesus instructed the apostles, “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age” (Matt. 28:19–20).

Some will not accept the teaching authority that Jesus gave to His Apostles and Church or even acknowledge that only the Catholic church was established by Jesús and will continue until the end of time.

So it is not surprising that your list indicates a lack of ability or understanding to find them in Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture.

Perhaps you could find them if you searched in Catholic Answers (catholic.com)?

For example:
“ the classical passage in II Maccabees, xii, 40-46. When Judas and his men came to take away for burial the bodies of their brethren who had fallen in the battle against Gorgias, “they found under the coats of the slain some of the donaries of the idols of Jamnia, which the law forbiddeth to the Jews: so that all plainly saw, that for this cause they were slain. Then they all blessed the just judgment of the Lord, who had discovered the things that were hidden. And so betaking themselves to prayers, they besought him, that the sin which had been committed might be forgotten . And making a gathering, he [Judas] sent twelve [al. two] thousand drachms of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection (for if he had not hoped that they that were slain should rise again, it would have seemed superfluous and vain to pray for the dead), and because he considered that they who had fallen asleep in godliness, had great grace laid up for them. It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.” For Catholics who accept this book as canonical, this passage leaves nothing to be desired. The inspired author expressly approves Judas’s action in this particular case, and recommends in general terms the practice of prayers for the dead. There is no contradiction in the particular case between the conviction that a sin had been committed, calling down the penalty of death, and the hope that the sinners had nevertheless died in godliness—an opportunity for penance had intervened.”
https://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/prayers-for-the-dead

As several books did not match protestant beliefs, they deleted certain books even though they accepted others approved by the Catholic Church teaching authority.

Your protestant spin without authority is based on man’s beliefs inspired by Satan.

In his Second Epistle to Timothy (i, 16-18; iv, 19) St. Paul speaks of Onesiphorus in a way that seems obviously to imply that the latter was already dead: “The Lord give mercy to the house of Onesiphorus “—as to a family in need of consolation. Then, after mention of loyal services rendered by him to the imprisoned Apostle at Rome, comes the prayer for Onesiphorus himself

The sign of the Cross is a prayer passed down by early Christians. Too bad many reject this simple prayer that the profess our redemption and the Trinity.

Many protestant biblical scholars have questioned protestant beliefs and found God’s Truth in the Mass and the Sacraments at the Catholic Church. Check out the story of Dr. Scott Hahn’s conversion.

You keep asking the same protestant question, that perhaps you may have fears about your own salvation?


356 posted on 10/10/2023 5:15:30 AM PDT by ADSUM ( )
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Some dates are off, while the real issue is the basis for assurance of doctrine for a Catholic, that of Scripture which was essentially established as being of God due its unique enduring heavenly qualities as realized among those who effectually believed it, versus a self=proclaimed one true church, which has has presumed to infallibly declare she is and will be perpetually infallible whenever she speaks in accordance with her infallibly defined (scope and subject-based) formula, which renders her declaration that she is infallible, to be infallible, as well as all else she accordingly declares, and presumes protection from at least salvific error in non-infallible magisterial teaching on faith and morals.

The "we gave you the Bible" polemical premise ends up invalidating the NT church, yet certain RCs ignore the reproof of it this premise and still resort to it.

361 posted on 10/10/2023 10:26:32 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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