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To: ADSUM
You shifted the goalpost when it was demonstrated your CCC statement was false.

Here it is again.


--> the Church has constantly confessed this one faith, received from the one Lord

Totally false. Most key beliefs of Romanism were added multiple centuries later.

This will get you started.

300 AD - Prayers for the dead
300 AD - Making sign of the cross
320 AD - Special dress code of the clergy in worship
379 AD - Praying to Mary & Saints
416 AD - Infant baptism by immersion commanded of all infants 
​526 AD - Extreme Unction (last rites)
607 AD - First Pope: Boniface III is the first person to take the title of 
"universal Bishop" by decree of Emperor Phocas
850 AD - Burning of Holy Candles
995 AD - Canonization of dead saints, first by Pope John XV
1009 AD - Holy water
1022 AD - Penance
1215 AD - Transubstantiation by Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council
1268 AD - Priestly power of absolution- CONFESSION of sin to a priest
1414 AD - Laity no longer offered Lord's cup at communion (Council of Constance)
1439 AD - Doctrine of Seven Sacraments affirmed
1545 AD - Man-made traditions of church made equal to Bible (Council of Trent)
1546 AD - Justification by human works of merit
1854 AD - Immaculate conception of Mary
1870 AD - Infallibility of Pope (Vatican council)
1950 AD - Assumption of the body of the Virgin Mary into heaven shortly 
after her death. (Pope Pius XII)


The rest of your post was made of verses stitched together to prove something, which sadly failed.

II Maccabees was rejected by Jews as well as many Church Fathers as inspired, never quoted by Christ, and includes the heresy of offering money for the sins of the dead. As such, soundly rejected as Scripture.

Onesiphorus

Here you grasp at straws to try to spin them into prayers for the dead. I got a kick out of this. Good try Adsum!

Onesiphorus is only mentioned twice in the Bible, both times in the epistle of 2 Timothy.

Early in the epistle, Paul writes a prayer of blessing upon Onesiphorus: “May the Lord show mercy to the household of Onesiphorus, because he often refreshed me and was not ashamed of my chains. On the contrary, when he was in Rome, he searched hard for me until he found me. May the Lord grant that he will find mercy from the Lord on that day! You know very well in how many ways he helped me in Ephesus” (2 Timothy 1:16–18).

Onesiphorus showed Paul Mercy.
Paul wishes that God may show mercy to Onesiphorus in the future.

Not dead.

At the end of the letter, Paul sends greetings to “the household of Onesiphorus” (2 Timothy 4:19).

Rome didn't institutionalize "prayers for the dead until ~300ad, hundreds of years later, as most of the false teachings of Rome. The incorporation of pagan beliefs were backfilled in pieces whereever they could make it sound as if true. Never the less, no Apostle ever practiced those things, nor commanded, nor taught them. It isn't the Apostolic Faith, but the Peristaltic Faith of paganism.

So it is not surprising that your list indicates a lack of ability or understanding to find them in Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture.

Heresy and specifically pagan heretical additions are not in Scripture. Ever.

Many protestant biblical scholars have questioned protestant beliefs and found God’s Truth in the Mass and the Sacraments at the Catholic Church. Check out the story of Dr. Scott Hahn’s conversion.

I am happy for Scott to worship wherever he wishes. His articles are attempts to justify abandoning Scripture and his handling of the Word is weak. I do not know him. I suspect his motivations to become a Romanian are not Biblical. That's fine for him. For those who follow the Word and faith delivered by the Apostles and the Gospel of Grace, they will not find it in Rome. Sadly.

You keep asking the same protestant question, that perhaps you may have fears about your own salvation?

I ask because if you pursue rituals and useless works (see above) and pretend Rome is a source of truth, you will miss the Gospel of Grace - the very reason Christ came - and with it you will miss the one opportunity you have to spend eternity with God in heaven.

358 posted on 10/10/2023 7:27:33 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything)
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To: ealgeone; metmom; daniel1212

sorry, meant to ping you


359 posted on 10/10/2023 7:28:02 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
II Maccabees was rejected by Jews as well as many Church Fathers
as inspired, never quoted by Christ,
and includes the heresy of offering money for the sins of the dead.


What "Jews" are you saying specifically rejected II Maccabees?

Maccabbees can be found in the Septuaguint- written by "Jews".
Christ was a Jew.
Jesus quoted from the Septuagint. The Apostles quoted from the Septuagint.
There are well over 300 citations of the Septuagint in the NT scripture.
Also in NT Scripture, we read Christ observed the forerunner of today's Chanukah Solemnity in the Temple.
Nowhere else can you find the documentation for the origin of the 'festival of Lights"-
But in Macabbees. Christ would not have celebrated something that was rejected.

You can say - Jesus never quoted from Macabbees as recorded in the NT-
but you are not correct in saying Jesus did not observe Maccabeean tradition-
OR that
Jesus never quoted fron this scripture that he, AND his Apostles were rather familiar with - The Septuagint. (Jn 25:21)

I had read there were even fragments of Maccabees found in the Dead Sea Scrolls...
Now THOSE Jews yes, are on record of despising the Maccabeean aftermath -
So why they had fragments of those books in their library is interesting.

Pharisees? Sadducees? Zealots?
Which Jews are you referring to in Jesus' Day that rejected Maccabees?


362 posted on 10/10/2023 2:08:52 PM PDT by MurphsLaw (46 “Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not DO what I tell you?")
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

People crowded around Jesus everywhere and wanted to listen to Him, heal them and watch His miracles.

However, there were two times when they fled from Jesus.

When He was crucified. and when He spoke to them about the Eucharist.

So Christ is either truly present as Body, Soul, Human and Divine in the Eucharist or is a symbol? Christ’s Word is the Truth, not man’s false beliefs. Jesus is not a symbol.

Each of us has to have the capacity to receive the Gospel message from Jesus and Jesus told us “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted by the Father.”

Your often repeated question: “Do you really want to be saved??” This directed towards others as a false question, and not toward yourself.

The better question: “Do you have a personal relationship with Jesus?”

Do you stand at the foot of the Cross at the Mass as Jesus and members of His Body make present (re-presents) His sacrifice to the Father?
Do you eat His Body and Blood in Eucharist?
Do you listen silently to Jesus in His presence in Adoration at the Tabernacle or Monstrance? Or talk to Him as a friend?
Do you truly try to reflect on God’s Truth and grow in that truth or assume you know all from the Scriptures?
Do you let Jesus change your life?

I will leave it to the Father and the Holy Spirit to help guide you to His Truth.


363 posted on 10/10/2023 2:41:52 PM PDT by ADSUM ( )
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