Foul-mouthed Pope Francis abandons traditional teaching on absolution

American Thinker ^ | 01/19/2023 | Andrea Widburg

[SeekAndFind]

Pope Francis is just full of surprises. Word has now emerged that the Pope, using coarse language, advised Spanish seminarians that, even if the person making a confession is not penitent and does not intend to repent in the future, priests must grant that person absolution. By doing so, Francis departed from Catholic doctrine. More than that, he has just removed eternal punishment for any and all crimes and sins. As I said, full of surprises.

The Catholic Herald has the details:

Priests should grant absolution in the confessional even when the penitent has no intention to repent, the Pope has said in a speech which has shocked seminarians.

The Holy Father put aside a written speech, describing it as “boring”, and delivered an off-the-cuff address to seminarians from Barcelona, Spain, in which he frequently used foul language.

In his address, he ordered students for the priesthood “not to be clerical, to forgive everything”, adding that “if we see that there is no intention to repent, we must forgive all”.

“We can never deny absolution, because we become a vehicle for an evil, unjust, and moralistic judgment,” Francis reportedly told the seminarians, who were accompanied by the Auxiliary Bishop Javier Vilanova Pellisa of Barcelona.

Priests who deny penitents absolution are “delinquents”, the Pontiff said, according to the Church Militant website.

Did he really say that priests shouldn’t be vehicles for “moralistic judgment”? I thought the whole point was that priests existed to aid their parishioners in living a moral life consistent with Biblical teachings in order to prepare them for a deserved ascension to Heaven in the afterlife. Without that morality bit, the Church reverts to the paganism of placating gods who behave in random, usually immoral or amoral, fashion.

[Elsie]

I am Catholic but he is not my pope.

So; you are PROTESTing this pope?

[ebb tide]

Should I drop another pie or just regurgitate some more cud? What to do?

[Quentin Quarantino]

I believe the correct answer is No.

[Elsie]

Whatever mooves ya.

[Elsie]

I hope you are correct.

Proverbs 28:14 ESV
Blessed is the one who fears the Lord always,
but whoever hardens his heart will fall into calamity.

[thesearethetimes...]

Beautifully, and powerfully said, Friend.

Thank you, and thank You Lord, for Prayer.
Tatt

[kinsman redeemer]

...solid Catholic arguments...

"Irony is the contrast between what's said and what happens."

- Claudia Gray.

[pax_et_bonum]

Thank you, Tatt.

It was from my heart.

:-)

[fatima]

Really?

[one guy in new jersey]

This has been a white hot issue for most of a decade.

[fatima]

Sorry I missed it.I really have my suspicions of this Pope.Hate to say it.

[one guy in new jersey]

There has been a huge establishment effort to kill the story. Not successful.

More priests and prelates can be expected to articulate doubts about Benedict’s resignation now that Benedict is no longer available to throw cold water on the notion.

[fatima]

Mine start with Father Pavone.I work with him and his staff for 20 years.Any priest that I know say this was political.
www.catholicnewsagency.com › news › 253106Vatican dismisses Father Frank Pavone from priesthood
I used to say the Pope was mis=interperated now I know he meant what he said.

[Svartalfiar]

To begin with, any cleric offering “absolution” is commiting a sin - pretending to have spiritual ability they do not have.

Wasn't Jesus the one who told his disciples to go out and forgive sins? Why would he tell them to go out and sin? Sense, that does not make.

[Wuli]

Yeshua tells all Christians to forgive each other, and sinners seeking repentence, which is what both John and Luke reported - as in “I forgive you”. Absolution is authority claiming the total removal of guilt of the perpetrator, which is not in our human hands. Only by the Grace of God are we saved from our sin(s), not by any of our acts with each other.

[Svartalfiar]

Yeshua tells all Christians to forgive each other, and sinners seeking repentence, which is what both John and Luke reported - as in “I forgive you”. Absolution is authority claiming the total removal of guilt of the perpetrator, which is not in our human hands. Only by the Grace of God are we saved from our sin(s), not by any of our acts with each other.

Ok, ok. I'll give you the direct quote then:

[21] He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. [22] When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. [23] Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.
- John 20:21-23

That sure doesn't read like an "I forgive you" to me, it sounds pretty clearly like Jesus telling the disciples that they have the power of absolution.

[mrobisr]

“That sure doesn’t read like an “I forgive you” to me, it sounds pretty clearly like Jesus telling the disciples that they have the power of absolution.”

Christ was referring to Matthew 5:24 and 18:22
leave your offering there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and present your offering.

Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven

A man can only forgive sins against himself not against you, me, and especially GOD. I cannot forgive someone on your behalf for beating you to death, only you could do that and only GOD can forgive a man’s sins against Him.

[mrobisr]

Sorry for to include you in the to line.