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Foul-mouthed Pope Francis abandons traditional teaching on absolution
American Thinker ^ | 01/19/2023 | Andrea Widburg

Posted on 01/19/2023 9:59:45 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Pope Francis is just full of surprises. Word has now emerged that the Pope, using coarse language, advised Spanish seminarians that, even if the person making a confession is not penitent and does not intend to repent in the future, priests must grant that person absolution. By doing so, Francis departed from Catholic doctrine. More than that, he has just removed eternal punishment for any and all crimes and sins. As I said, full of surprises.

The Catholic Herald has the details:

Priests should grant absolution in the confessional even when the penitent has no intention to repent, the Pope has said in a speech which has shocked seminarians.

The Holy Father put aside a written speech, describing it as “boring”, and delivered an off-the-cuff address to seminarians from Barcelona, Spain, in which he frequently used foul language.

In his address, he ordered students for the priesthood “not to be clerical, to forgive everything”, adding that “if we see that there is no intention to repent, we must forgive all”.

“We can never deny absolution, because we become a vehicle for an evil, unjust, and moralistic judgment,” Francis reportedly told the seminarians, who were accompanied by the Auxiliary Bishop Javier Vilanova Pellisa of Barcelona.

Priests who deny penitents absolution are “delinquents”, the Pontiff said, according to the Church Militant website.

Did he really say that priests shouldn’t be vehicles for “moralistic judgment”? I thought the whole point was that priests existed to aid their parishioners in living a moral life consistent with Biblical teachings in order to prepare them for a deserved ascension to Heaven in the afterlife. Without that morality bit, the Church reverts to the paganism of placating gods who behave in random, usually immoral or amoral, fashion.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: absolution; catholic; popefrancis
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To: Boogieman

No, you enjoy fighting.

I don’t.

:-)


41 posted on 01/19/2023 11:20:01 AM PST by pax_et_bonum (God is good, He loves us, and He is always with us.)
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To: one guy in new jersey
Right!

👀😁

42 posted on 01/19/2023 11:23:44 AM PST by pax_et_bonum (God is good, He loves us, and He is always with us.)
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To: SeekAndFind
>>>>>>to prepare them for a deserved ascension to Heaven in the afterlife<<<<<<

Pretty tough to come down as agreeing with the outrage in the article when the author doesn't seem to have a clue about THE central revolutionary idea of Christianity...

You ain't EVER GONNA EARN IT. If we could EARN it and DESERVE it God didn't really need to give us his son did he?

43 posted on 01/19/2023 11:24:00 AM PST by L,TOWM (An upraised middle finger is my virtue signal.)
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To: Boogieman

Might need to come up with a Medici or two for that to work properly... Those are pretty thin on the ground these days.


44 posted on 01/19/2023 11:27:05 AM PST by L,TOWM (An upraised middle finger is my virtue signal.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Pope Francis is just full of surprises.

And all those 'surprises' are bad...

45 posted on 01/19/2023 11:30:18 AM PST by GOPJ ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muw22wTePqQ Gumballs: Immigrants by the numbers.)
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To: pax_et_bonum

“No, you enjoy fighting.”

Not really. I’d rather everyone used sound logic and reasoning and then we might all agree on at least important matters. But that’s not going to happen in this fallen world, so it’s important to be willing to defend sound logic and reasoning against those who prefer other means.


46 posted on 01/19/2023 11:35:01 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: one guy in new jersey

“The issue is the purported resignation of Benedict XVI.

It was invalid for at least one and possibly two reasons”

That doesn’t actually answer my question, and of course even if this is “the issue”, then the same question still remains. Who determines if Benedict’s resignation was valid? The individual Catholic deciding for himself? Or the Magisterium of the Catholic church?


47 posted on 01/19/2023 11:36:56 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: GingisK

My guess would be stem rot. There are many good and faithful Catholics out there. Francis is dubious at best.


48 posted on 01/19/2023 11:43:10 AM PST by FamiliarFace (I got my own way of livin' But everything gets done With a southern accent Where I come from. TP)
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To: Boogieman
Not really. I’d rather everyone used sound logic and reasoning and then we might all agree on at least important matters. But that’s not going to happen in this fallen world, so it’s important to be willing to defend sound logic and reasoning against those who prefer other means.

I agree completely.

I’ve seen many of the religion debates here on FR so, since it’s logical that once a horse is dead it’s of no use beating it, I’d like to direct you to those threads, many of which you should be able to locate on your own ping page.

There you will find solid Catholic arguments defending our beliefs.

49 posted on 01/19/2023 11:49:25 AM PST by pax_et_bonum (God is good, He loves us, and He is always with us.)
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To: pax_et_bonum

“There you will find solid Catholic arguments defending our beliefs.”

But not, apparently, willing to answer my questions or objections. That’s not a debate, that’s just apologetics.


50 posted on 01/19/2023 11:54:05 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

Let’s start with current Catholic canon law in the topic.

Canon 188: A resignation made out of grave fear that is inflicted unjustly or out of malice, substantial error, or simony is invalid by the law itself.

Can. 332§2. If it happens that the Roman Pontiff resigns his office, it is required for validity that the resignation is made freely and properly manifested but not that it is accepted by anyone.

A Roman Pontiff who improperly manifests a resignation has not resigned. Such a one remains the Roman Pontiff.


51 posted on 01/19/2023 12:00:48 PM PST by one guy in new jersey
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To: faucetman
"Why don’t you Catholics DEMAND his resignation?"

I can demand in one hand and poop in the other, let's guess which one will fill up first.

This "pope" was elected to do just what he is doing, discredit, the church and his office, to give into the anti religious left and undermine Catholics everywhere.
I am Catholic but he is not my pope.
52 posted on 01/19/2023 12:01:40 PM PST by The Louiswu (- .-. ..- -- .--. / ..--- ----- ..--- ....-)
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To: one guy in new jersey

You’re still not answering my question, just moving the goalposts. Now the question just becomes: “Who judges whether any particular resignation is valid or violates one of those canon laws? The individual catholic deciding for himself? Or the magisterium?”

Keep punting all you want, but eventually you either have to answer that question, or admit that you cannot answer it.


53 posted on 01/19/2023 12:03:18 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

Lol!

You’re definitely persistent! That can be virtuous, you know! ;-)

Because I’ve seen your comments here many times I am convinced that no Catholic answer will suffice so “just apologetics” is fine with me.

May God bless both of us... and maybe one day in heaven you’ll feel a tap on your shoulder and turn around to see...

me!

Sur-PRISE!!!! Lol!!

:-)


54 posted on 01/19/2023 12:11:37 PM PST by pax_et_bonum (God is good, He loves us, and He is always with us.)
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To: pax_et_bonum

“Because I’ve seen your comments here many times I am convinced that no Catholic answer will suffice so “just apologetics” is fine with me.”

To me, that’s about the same as saying that you can’t provide a satisfactory answer though. And if the truth is on your side, then providing a satisfactory answer should be quite simple, and one shouldn’t worry whether the person asking the question accepts it or not. That’s their problem, not yours.


55 posted on 01/19/2023 12:18:00 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

Think logically.

The individual, the validity of whose purported resignation is being drawn into question, is clearly no longer Pope.

The death of a Roman Pontiff produces an interregnum. That is the assertion—that we are currently in an interregnum. Surely you are not of the opinion that Bergoglio is in a position to declare whether he is an antipope or not, or whether Benedict’s resignation was valid or not. Bergoglio is the ultimate interested party. No man being empowered to be the judge of his own case, Bergoglio cannot make this determination.


56 posted on 01/19/2023 12:27:16 PM PST by one guy in new jersey
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To: Boogieman

It’s my problem if it’s a futile endeavor which takes me away from my duties.

I have determined that it is such an endeavor so, No.

:-)


57 posted on 01/19/2023 12:32:02 PM PST by pax_et_bonum (God is good, He loves us, and He is always with us.)
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To: Ge0ffrey
Who goes to confession without a resolve to repent?
How could a priest know that the person won’t repent?


Tha's exactly what I said reading this.
Most Catholics already know that if you are confessing a sin without Contrition...
any absolution a Priest would administer will not be efficacious in any way.

The same holds true for the Biden and Pelosi covfefe receiving the Eucharist...
there is NO Grace conferred in an unworthily received Sacrament.
You can fool a Priest some of the time - But ain't NOBODY gonna' fool God !
58 posted on 01/19/2023 12:32:59 PM PST by MurphsLaw ( "If you do boast, remember it is not you that support the root, but the root that supports you.")
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To: pax_et_bonum

Alrighty, well enjoy your duties then.


59 posted on 01/19/2023 12:34:38 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

I will!

I hope you have a nice day!

(And get ready for that shoulder-tap in heaven! ;-)


60 posted on 01/19/2023 12:37:36 PM PST by pax_et_bonum (God is good, He loves us, and He is always with us.)
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