Posted on 01/19/2023 9:59:45 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Pope Francis is just full of surprises. Word has now emerged that the Pope, using coarse language, advised Spanish seminarians that, even if the person making a confession is not penitent and does not intend to repent in the future, priests must grant that person absolution. By doing so, Francis departed from Catholic doctrine. More than that, he has just removed eternal punishment for any and all crimes and sins. As I said, full of surprises.
The Catholic Herald has the details:
Priests should grant absolution in the confessional even when the penitent has no intention to repent, the Pope has said in a speech which has shocked seminarians.
The Holy Father put aside a written speech, describing it as “boring”, and delivered an off-the-cuff address to seminarians from Barcelona, Spain, in which he frequently used foul language.
In his address, he ordered students for the priesthood “not to be clerical, to forgive everything”, adding that “if we see that there is no intention to repent, we must forgive all”.
“We can never deny absolution, because we become a vehicle for an evil, unjust, and moralistic judgment,” Francis reportedly told the seminarians, who were accompanied by the Auxiliary Bishop Javier Vilanova Pellisa of Barcelona.
Priests who deny penitents absolution are “delinquents”, the Pontiff said, according to the Church Militant website.
Did he really say that priests shouldn’t be vehicles for “moralistic judgment”? I thought the whole point was that priests existed to aid their parishioners in living a moral life consistent with Biblical teachings in order to prepare them for a deserved ascension to Heaven in the afterlife. Without that morality bit, the Church reverts to the paganism of placating gods who behave in random, usually immoral or amoral, fashion.
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No, you enjoy fighting.
I don’t.
:-)
👀😁
Pretty tough to come down as agreeing with the outrage in the article when the author doesn't seem to have a clue about THE central revolutionary idea of Christianity...
You ain't EVER GONNA EARN IT. If we could EARN it and DESERVE it God didn't really need to give us his son did he?
Might need to come up with a Medici or two for that to work properly... Those are pretty thin on the ground these days.
And all those 'surprises' are bad...
“No, you enjoy fighting.”
Not really. I’d rather everyone used sound logic and reasoning and then we might all agree on at least important matters. But that’s not going to happen in this fallen world, so it’s important to be willing to defend sound logic and reasoning against those who prefer other means.
“The issue is the purported resignation of Benedict XVI.
It was invalid for at least one and possibly two reasons”
That doesn’t actually answer my question, and of course even if this is “the issue”, then the same question still remains. Who determines if Benedict’s resignation was valid? The individual Catholic deciding for himself? Or the Magisterium of the Catholic church?
My guess would be stem rot. There are many good and faithful Catholics out there. Francis is dubious at best.
I agree completely.
I’ve seen many of the religion debates here on FR so, since it’s logical that once a horse is dead it’s of no use beating it, I’d like to direct you to those threads, many of which you should be able to locate on your own ping page.
There you will find solid Catholic arguments defending our beliefs.
“There you will find solid Catholic arguments defending our beliefs.”
But not, apparently, willing to answer my questions or objections. That’s not a debate, that’s just apologetics.
Let’s start with current Catholic canon law in the topic.
Canon 188: A resignation made out of grave fear that is inflicted unjustly or out of malice, substantial error, or simony is invalid by the law itself.
Can. 332§2. If it happens that the Roman Pontiff resigns his office, it is required for validity that the resignation is made freely and properly manifested but not that it is accepted by anyone.
A Roman Pontiff who improperly manifests a resignation has not resigned. Such a one remains the Roman Pontiff.
You’re still not answering my question, just moving the goalposts. Now the question just becomes: “Who judges whether any particular resignation is valid or violates one of those canon laws? The individual catholic deciding for himself? Or the magisterium?”
Keep punting all you want, but eventually you either have to answer that question, or admit that you cannot answer it.
Lol!
You’re definitely persistent! That can be virtuous, you know! ;-)
Because I’ve seen your comments here many times I am convinced that no Catholic answer will suffice so “just apologetics” is fine with me.
May God bless both of us... and maybe one day in heaven you’ll feel a tap on your shoulder and turn around to see...
me!
Sur-PRISE!!!! Lol!!
:-)
“Because I’ve seen your comments here many times I am convinced that no Catholic answer will suffice so “just apologetics” is fine with me.”
To me, that’s about the same as saying that you can’t provide a satisfactory answer though. And if the truth is on your side, then providing a satisfactory answer should be quite simple, and one shouldn’t worry whether the person asking the question accepts it or not. That’s their problem, not yours.
Think logically.
The individual, the validity of whose purported resignation is being drawn into question, is clearly no longer Pope.
The death of a Roman Pontiff produces an interregnum. That is the assertion—that we are currently in an interregnum. Surely you are not of the opinion that Bergoglio is in a position to declare whether he is an antipope or not, or whether Benedict’s resignation was valid or not. Bergoglio is the ultimate interested party. No man being empowered to be the judge of his own case, Bergoglio cannot make this determination.
It’s my problem if it’s a futile endeavor which takes me away from my duties.
I have determined that it is such an endeavor so, No.
:-)
Alrighty, well enjoy your duties then.
I will!
I hope you have a nice day!
(And get ready for that shoulder-tap in heaven! ;-)
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