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A Woman Rides the Beast
Rev310 ^ | 10/9/22 | Pete Garcia

Posted on 10/11/2022 6:45:52 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal

So what will the world's final end-time religion look like?

Will it start out with Satanists running around after the Rapture in red tights and pitchforks, sacrificing everything they can lay their grubby hands on? Will it be the New Age 'crystal wearing' hippies announcing the long-awaited Age of Aquarius? Will it be the final manifestation of Chrislam? Unfortunately, there are as many opinions about this subject as there are phony religions out there masquerading as the truth. While we can't say definitively what the Harlot religion will actually look like at the outset, we know by the mid-point of the Tribulation that all worship on earth gets directed towards the Antichrist.

So how does the world get from where it is now (with thousands of different faith systems), to the point where all religions are eradicated and all religious devotion is focused on just one man?

In stages.

Stage 1: Present Day

The spirit of antichrist is alive and thriving in these last days. What is this spirit of antichrist? It is any belief system or philosophy that denies Jesus is the Christ; that He is God come in the flesh (1 John 2:22-23). As John expounds, even in his day, many antichrists had come, but there was a final Antichrist coming. As you may already know, the Antichrist (Gr. Anticristos) doesn't just mean one who is opposed to Christ, but one who is in place of Christ. A Pseudo-Christ. A false messiah. Someone, or something pretending to be the path toward salvation.

At present, there are seven major belief systems in the world today: Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, paganism, and humanism. Underneath these major categories, there are between 4,000 to 10,000 subsects/groups. Since Babel, Satan has had to shift his plans from global universalism to that of divide and conquer. Now that the end of the age has come, he is once again attempting to bring it all back together under one roof. While the world is presently being restrained by the Holy Spirit (i.e., the Restrainer), the Church remains the most dominant stabilizing force on the planet. I know it doesn't feel like it at present, but it's true. Jesus said in Matthew 16:18-19 that He would build His church, and the gates of hell would not prevail.

The Restrainer is not just restraining human wickedness through the influences of Christianity upon Western Civilization, but He is also restraining the dark spiritual forces which always seek open doorways into our human domain (Ephesians 6:12). And since Acts 2, He has done so by empowering the body of Christ through signs, wonders, and most importantly, His word. However, once the Rapture occurs, it will remove the restraining influence of the Holy Spirit by the physical removal of the body of Christ (the Church) from the earth.

Stage 2: The Day After

As previously mentioned, there are upwards of 10,000 different religious groups and belief systems out there. Any religious system or philosophy, regardless of how peaceful or benign it appears, which does not unequivocally state that Jesus Christ is God come in the flesh, is of Satan. So at present, all of this religious diversity works to his (Satan's) favor in keeping the world divided and confused. But once the Rapture happens, Satan will no longer need the division or confusion. Instead, he will need the world to rally around his man Antichrist as quickly as possible. However, Satan is also a bit of a master pragmatist in these regards. He understands the world isn't going to just turn on a dime. He will need to convince unredeemed mankind to get in line behind his chosen seed. This is where supernatural deception comes into play.

The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie...2 Thessalonians 2:9-11

Shortly after the Rapture, the world will be thrown into a state of chaos. How long that chaos will last is anyone's guess these days. But those people left behind will turn to their respective faith systems, seeking answers as to what just happened. Lacking answers (because the truth will discredit their own belief systems), I see all of these various religions seeking consensus amongst themselves. Along with the overwhelming display of lying signs and wonders (i.e., the satanic light show vis a vis UFOs) in the heavens, I imagine these world religious leaders will join together to promote the idea that Mother Earth/Gaia/Enlightened visitors (E.Ts), etc. had purged the world of the undesirables. That purging was "necessary" to help with the overpopulation of the planet adding weight to their supposed precious climate change "emergency."

In gaining consensus, all of these religious groups will agree on three things:

All paths lead to redemption

All religions worship the same God (just use different names)

Man must evolve to the next level

This is what makes it the harlot- it flatters everyone, and saves no one.

Unfortunately for them, there is a growing group of "non-consenters" who refuse to go along with the new state-sanctioned narrative. Rather, these new believers in Jesus are saying it was the Rapture. Very quickly, these believers are being shunned, censored, imprisoned, and turned into scapegoats for all the world's problems. And as the judgments begin to fall, these believers will be ruthlessly hunted down and rounded up for humiliating show trials and public executions.

When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed. Rev. 6:9-11

So what makes the final world religious system the Harlot?

We know that when the final world government rises up, it does so alongside a global religion (Revelation 13:1). She is blasphemously wicked and vicious against those who oppose her. She is labeled by God as the Harlot because whores/prostitutes have no loyalty to anyone and only seek after money, pleasure, and power.

So he carried me away in the Spirit into the wilderness. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication. And on her forehead a name was written:

MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement. Rev. 17:3-6

In context, when the Bible speaks about harlotry here, we are not speaking to sexual immorality, but to spiritual infidelity. This harlot will represent a universalist-type religion where everything is tolerated except for true Biblical Christianity. Let's look at the hierarchy of false religions in the world today, and see how they will be molded into the three categories of the post-Rapture religious system.

Luciferianism: Although this is the smallest and most exclusive religious sub-system in the world, it is also the most powerful. It is the religious system of the global elite and as such, its impacts are felt worldwide. It is also, ironically, the pinnacle for all false religious systems to attain because all false religions ultimately serve the same master (Satan). This is why each false religion is works-based and provides incredibly difficult paths to climb towards, only realizing once at the top that when you strip it all away, it's really Luciferianism. This same works-based/universalist ideology applies to the non-religious secret societies as well, groups such as the Freemasons, Illuminati, Bohemian Grove, et al.

Eastern Mysticism: EM is a really broad term that includes many eastern faith systems and philosophies that find their geographic origins in eastern Asia. Broadly speaking, they are a mix of pantheism, polytheism, ancestor worship, paganism, Gnosticism, relativism, and universalism. The largest of these are Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, and Taoism, but also include Shamanism and Animism among the more primitive cultures. EM is rooted in post-modernism (truth is relative), death is not the end (reincarnation or nothingness), and either there are many gods, or god is in everything.

Roman Catholicism: After the Rapture, the largest organized faction of the left behind "Christian" community will be those of the Roman Catholic Church. In the days to weeks after the Rapture, hundreds of millions of faithful Catholics will turn to the Vatican for guidance regarding what just happened. Doctrinally speaking, since Roman Catholicism believes both that it is the one true church, and also denies the Rapture, therefore, they will militantly push the accepted alternative theory (aliens, Gaia purging the earth, etc.).

Latter Day Saints: (also included here would be Jehovah's Witnesses and other pseudo-Christian groups) who represent the second, single largest organized faction of "Christians" left behind. While we don't have specific numbers, I imagine many millions will question their own faith systems as they see large sections of the real Christian communities removed instantaneously. This may be the wake-up call they need to finally come to the light.

Human Secularists: this includes all atheists, agnostics, "free thinkers", and other humanists who largely reject religion altogether. I believe these groups will be quick to attribute the sudden disappearance of millions to the increasingly observable UFO/AUP activity in the skies at the time just after the Rapture. These will champion the transhumanist movement that the Beast system will come to manifest. However, these groups will not remain atheistic for long though, because, by the midpoint, they will have to worship the man Antichrist along with everyone else or face death.

I know by this point, you're saying, hey, what about the "Christian in Name Only's" (CINOs), the Jews, and the Muslims? Well, truth be told, I don't think Islam has much longer to go before it's largely eradicated as a major global religion. Two points to make about this are: 1) Islam is too restrictive/exclusive for its own good, and thus, of no further use to Satan, and 2) Islamic warriors will largely be eradicated in too great of numbers during the numerous conflicts in the gap and in the early stages of the 70th Week, to be a factor later on (Gog-Magog, Psalm 83, Isaiah 17, Jeremiah 49:34-39 [Elam]). Thus, much/most of Islam's militancy will be eradicated in the opening salvo of the last days.

After these devastating wars in the Islamic world, those left behind will either abandon it for Jesus Christ or the Antichrist. I think it is here where we see the world's great post-rapture revival. Even today we see a large population of those around the world today who are willing to be beheaded for their faith. Not to discount western courage, but as we saw in the 2014-16 public executions by ISIS of believers in Iraq and Syria, Middle Easterners are far more willing to die for their faith than almost any other group. My .02c worth anyway.

As for the large populations of CINOs left behind, it's probably a mixed bag of post-rapture converts presumably regretting their lifestyle choices versus those who abandon the faith altogether. As for the Jews, I believe the Rapture will be a very perplexing issue for them to contend with. If it happens on a Jewish Feast date (or a date like Tish B'Av), then it will be something I think they are more likely to accept as legitimate. However, if it happens on a day not connected with any Jewish significance, then it will be less likely they accept it as divinely appointed.

However, I think once the Rapture happens, it will trigger numerous overlapping geopolitical and economic events that may distract the left-behind populations. Those not familiar with Biblical eschatology will probably have no idea of what just happened and will not have the time to appreciate its significance. Gog and Magog will happen soon after the Rapture, as would the other aforementioned conflicts involving their neighbors. Even those conflicts will result in the destruction of the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque, which will begin a frenzied series of events by the Jews to get their Temple rebuilt. Perhaps that Daniel 9:27 covenant is tied in with the Harlot more than we think, especially if it involves building the Third Temple.

According to Revelation 13, the whole world marvels and wonders after the Beast. We understand the beast to be an amalgamation of former empires that come to rule the planet with an iron fist. We also understand that out of this Beast system, comes one man who rises up (i.e. the Antichrist). But he does not rise alone. Another beast (from the land) either precedes him or arises with him. Perhaps this False Prophet rises up from the Harlot religious system as well. As mentioned in #5, it is unlikely this man is even religious at all, but rather, a pure humanist promoting the deification of man through the supernatural or technology. This same False Prophet is the one who is in charge of directing all of that worship on earth towards this one cursed man.

Just as the beast system comes to be personified in the man Antichrist, it would seem that the Harlot becomes associated with a city (Rome? Abu Dhabi?). At the midpoint, the world system will turn against the harlot just before Antichrist declares himself to be god. The religious system, its buildings, wealth, clerics, and everything associated with it will be stripped, robbed, burned, and destroyed to remove any competition apart from the absolute devotion to Antichrist himself. And thus, the harlot (the system and all who partook) are condemned to the eternal lake of fire forever and ever.

But the angel said to me, “Why did you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns. The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is...

...Then he said to me, “The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire. For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled. And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.” Revelation 17:7-18 (my emphasis)


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To: BipolarBob

Don’t forget some dude later down the road created Purgatory so sinful Catholics with sin complexes can endure “for a time” and then come to Heaven.

Throw in some Holy Water and the bony petrified finger of Saint Peccatumus and you’ve got some real religion that Christ approved - all verified by Scripture of course or the “traditions” of the elders.


61 posted on 10/12/2022 5:00:49 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: vladimir998
As stated MANY times, Jesus never put Peter in charge of His Church.
“And I say also unto thee, Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church;and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it” (Matt. 16:18).
This is Jesus talking ("And I say also unto thee")
He's telling Peter (and all who are listening),"Thou art Peter"
"and upon this Rock I will build my Church" (Who is the Rock?) Jesus is the Rock. Peter (or small pebble) is like shifting sand. He is NOT the foundation to build any church. He denied His Lord three times. That's not the rock.
"the gates of hell shall not prevail against it". The gates of Hell prevailed against Peter. Jesus is always the Rock. In the Old Testament and New. And Gods Church is not your denomination or any one elses denomination. It's Gods Chosen People.
62 posted on 10/12/2022 5:02:57 PM PDT by BipolarBob (I was born into this world with nothing . . and I still have most of it .)
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To: BipolarBob

Jesus would recognize the Church he left through the apostolic succession of the apostles.

He wouldn’t recognize those who left and thought they could do better than him at building a church.


63 posted on 10/12/2022 5:40:33 PM PDT by Texas_Guy
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To: BipolarBob

Jesus would recognize the Church he left through the apostolic succession of the apostles.

He wouldn’t recognize those who left and thought they could do better than him at building a church.


64 posted on 10/12/2022 5:40:35 PM PDT by Texas_Guy
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To: BipolarBob

“As stated MANY times, Jesus never put Peter in charge of His Church.”

Yes, He did.

https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Peter-Keys-Scriptural-Handbook/dp/1882972546
https://www.amazon.com/Upon-This-Rock-Scripture-Apologetics/dp/0898707234/ref=pd_bxgy_img_sccl_2/147-8812487-3766439?pd_rd_w=ECdCT&content-id=amzn1.sym.7757a8b5-874e-4a67-9d85-54ed32f01737&pf_rd_p=7757a8b5-874e-4a67-9d85-54ed32f01737&pf_rd_r=57W6PGKN71T1MRVEPKGG&pd_rd_wg=0bghT&pd_rd_r=157dc0d4-8d4c-4d1b-a277-e819aed4ddf3&pd_rd_i=0898707234&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/Pope-Peter-Defending-Distinctive-Doctrine/dp/1683571800/ref=pd_bxgy_img_sccl_1/147-8812487-3766439?pd_rd_w=ECdCT&content-id=amzn1.sym.7757a8b5-874e-4a67-9d85-54ed32f01737&pf_rd_p=7757a8b5-874e-4a67-9d85-54ed32f01737&pf_rd_r=57W6PGKN71T1MRVEPKGG&pd_rd_wg=0bghT&pd_rd_r=157dc0d4-8d4c-4d1b-a277-e819aed4ddf3&pd_rd_i=1683571800&psc=1

“(Matt. 16:18).
This is Jesus talking (”And I say also unto thee”)
He’s telling Peter (and all who are listening),”Thou art Peter”
“and upon this Rock I will build my Church” (Who is the Rock?) Jesus is the Rock. Peter (or small pebble) is like shifting sand. He is NOT the foundation to build any church.”

Jesus was not referring to Himself as the Rock - as Protestants admit in their better moments:

Albert Barnes
Nineteenth-Century Presbyterian
“The meaning of this phrase may be thus expressed: ‘Thou, in saying that I am the Son of God, hast called me by a name expressive of my true character. I, also, have given to thee a name expressive of your character. I have called you Peter, a rock. . . . I see that you are worthy of the name and will be a distinguished support of my religion” [Barnes’ Notes on the New Testament, 170].

John Broadus
Nineteenth-Century Calvinistic Baptist
“As Peter means rock, the natural interpretation is that ‘upon this rock’ means upon thee. . . . It is an even more far-fetched and harsh play upon words if we understand the rock to be Christ and a very feeble and almost unmeaning play upon words if the rock is Peter’s confession” [Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew, 356].

Craig L. Blomberg
Contemporary Baptist
“The expression ‘this rock’ almost certainly refers to Peter, following immediately after his name, just as the words following ‘the Christ’ in verse 16 applied to Jesus. The play on words in the Greek between Peter’s name (Petros) and the word ‘rock’ (petra) makes sense only if Peter is the Rock and if Jesus is about to explain the significance of this identification” [New American Commentary: Matthew, 22:252].

J. Knox Chamblin
Contemporary Presbyterian
“By the words ‘this rock’ Jesus means not himself, nor his teaching, nor God the Father, nor Peter’s confession, but Peter himself. The phrase is immediately preceded by a direct and emphatic reference to Peter. As Jesus identifies himself as the builder, the rock on which he builds is most naturally understood as someone (or something) other than Jesus himself” [“Matthew” in Evangelical Commentary on the Bible, 742].

R. T. France
Contemporary Anglican
“The word-play, and the whole structure of the passage, demands that this verse is every bit as much Jesus’ declaration about Peter as verse 16 was Peter’s declaration about Jesus. Of course it is on the basis of Peter’s confession that Jesus declares his role as the Church’s foundation, but it is to Peter, not his confession, that the rock metaphor is applied” (Gospel According to Matthew, 254).

Herman Ridderbos
Contemporary Dutch Reformed
“It is well known that the Greek word petra translated ‘rock’ here is different from the proper name Peter. The slight difference between them has no special importance, however. The most likely explanation for the change from petros (‘Peter’) to petra is that petra was the normal word for ‘rock.’ . . . There is no good reason to think that Jesus switched from petros to petra to show that he was not speaking of the man Peter but of his confession as the foundation of the Church. The words ‘on this rock [petra]’ indeed refer to Peter” [Bible Student’s Commentary: Matthew, 303].

Donald Hagner
Contemporary Evangelical
“The frequent attempts that have been made, largely in the past, to deny [that Peter is the rock] in favor of the view that the confession itself is the rock . . . seem to be largely motivated by Protestant prejudice against a passage that is used by the Roman Catholics to justify the papacy” (Word Biblical Commentary 33b:470). https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/peter-is-the-rock

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THvwSohHYkY

“He denied His Lord three times. That’s not the rock.”

Yes, it is - just not one yet strengthened with the gift of the Holy Spirit yet.

Jesus prophesied that He would establish His Church on Peter.
Jesus prophesied that Peter would deny Him three times.
Jesus forgave Peter.
Trust Jesus. He’s never wrong.

“the gates of hell shall not prevail against it”. The gates of Hell prevailed against Peter.”

Peter went to Hell? Peter was defeated forever by Satan? Ha! You’re actually saying Jesus was wrong, not just Peter. The level you anti-Catholics will go to - even attacking our Lord now just because you can’t believe what the verses actually say. How pathetic!

“Jesus is always the Rock.”

But He named Peter the Rock. Trust Jesus.

” In the Old Testament and New. And Gods Church is not your denomination or any one elses denomination. It’s Gods Chosen People.”

I don’t have a denomination. Protestants have denomination. We have the Church. We are the Church. Founded by Christ, on Peter.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2021/10/debate-matthew-168-9-the-papacy-vs-steve-hays.html


65 posted on 10/12/2022 5:54:54 PM PDT by vladimir998 ( Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: BipolarBob

I lke your tag line. I’ll offer a hearty ME TOO.


66 posted on 10/12/2022 6:14:06 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Texas_Guy

“apostolic succession” is a man made construct.


67 posted on 10/12/2022 6:46:36 PM PDT by BipolarBob (I was born into this world with nothing . . and I still have most of it .)
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To: vladimir998
The level you anti-Catholics will go to - even attacking our Lord now just because you can’t believe what the verses actually say.

I did not attack our Lord. You misinterpret Scripture.
One of the many verses about Jesus being the Rock and cornerstone of the Church.
Isaiah 28:16 Therefore thus says the Lord God, “Behold, I am laying in Zion a Stone, a tested Stone, A costly cornerstone for the foundation, firmly placed. He who believes in it will not be disturbed.

It is blasphemy to say Peter is the Rock, cornerstone or foundation of His Church.

68 posted on 10/12/2022 6:53:18 PM PDT by BipolarBob (I was born into this world with nothing . . and I still have most of it .)
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To: vladimir998
"Jesus was not referring to Himself as the Rock - as Protestants admit in their better moments:" Regardless what a few Prots opine, the only interpretation of who the Rock refers to is found by examining the rest of Scripture. For in contrast to Peter, that the LORD Jesus is the Rock (“petra”) or "stone" (“lithos,” and which denotes a large rock in Mk. 16:4) upon which the church is built is one of the most abundantly confirmed doctrines in the Bible (petra: Rm. 9:33; 1Cor. 10:4; 1Pet. 2:8; cf. Lk. 6:48; 1Cor. 3:11; lithos: Mat. 21:42; Mk.12:10-11; Lk. 20:17-18; Act. 4:11; Rm. 9:33; Eph. 2:20; cf. Dt. 32:4, Is. 28:16) including by Peter himself. (1Pt. 2:4-8) Rome's current catechism attempts to have Peter himself as the rock as well, but also affirms: On the rock of this faith confessed by St Peter, Christ build his Church,” (pt. 1, sec. 2, cp. 2, para. 424) which understanding some of the ancients concur with.

The "this rock" upon which Christ said I will build My church is "petros," which is the word which is used for physical rocks, as in the rock a wise man builds his house upon: "He ...laid the foundation on a rock [petra]: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. [petra] (Luke 6:48) It is also used for the tomb of Christ which was carved out in the rock [petra]. (Matthew 27:60)

While men can argue about the significance of the difference between the Greek (the language the Holy Spirit chose to express the New Testament revelation in) words “Petros” (Peter, or stone in Jn. 1:42) and “petra” (rock) in Mt. 16:18, and what the LORD might have said in Aramaic (and your own appeal to a Hebrew Matthew was dealt with), the phrase “this stone” (“touton lithosis”), used to identify the cornerstone which is the foundation of the church, (Mt. 21:42) is only used of Christ as regarding a person. (Mt. 21:44)

It is by the “rock of this faith” that the church not only exists but it gains its members. (1Cor. 12:13; Eph. 1:13) And it is by the essential faith which Peter expressed that church overcomes: "Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?" (1Jn, 5:5; cf (1Jn. 2:13,14,25)

69 posted on 10/12/2022 8:21:06 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him who saves, be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: Texas_Guy; ConservativeMind; ealgeone; Mark17; BDParrish; fishtank; boatbums; Luircin; mitch5501; ..
"No, the Catholic Church is the body of Christ. It’s not possible to turn her into the bride of Satan."

The only is the one true church is the body of Christ (Colossians 1:18) to which He is married, (Ephesians 5:25) the "household of faith," (Galatians 6:10) for it uniquely only and always consists 100% of true believers, and which spiritual body of Christ is what the Spirit baptizes ever believer into, (1Co. 12:13) while organic fellowships in which they express their faith inevitably become admixtures of wheat and tares, with Catholicism and liberal Protestantism being mostly the latter.

However, organic ecclesial fellowships (that is Rome's terms for non-Catholic churches since it considers them unworthy of the proper name "church") are also organizations, but the Catholic church is an organization with some true doctrines but as told you before(and by the grace of God, many, many, many, many , many times refuted your fallacious attempts to defend such), distinctive Catholic teachings are not manifest in the only wholly inspired substantive authoritative record of what the NT church believed (which is Scripture, in particular Acts through Revelation, which best shows how the NT church understood the gospels.

The degree that a church retains and preaches the convicting gospel of grace, of salvation by grace thru heart-purifying, justifying faith, then they are part of the church which the Lord promised would overcome the gates of Hell. However, your false church has sadly become as the gates of Hell for multitudes.


70 posted on 10/12/2022 8:22:43 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him who saves, be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
" After the Rapture, the largest organized faction of the left behind "Christian" community will be those of the Roman Catholic Church."

The error of Rome here is not the pretrib. rapture, but denying the thousand year reign of the Lord Jesus - literally referred to at least 6 times - and thus the two separate judgments for two separate peoples separated by 1,000 years, which denial requires engaging in the error that Watchtower disciples selectively do (as with RV. 20:10) in dismissing the literal understanding of prophesies under the premise that the use of symbolic language in them means that whole of it is symbolic.

71 posted on 10/12/2022 8:42:36 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him who saves, be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: daniel1212

Are the Catholics into replacement theology? I can’t remember, it’s been so long since I left the Catholic Church.


72 posted on 10/12/2022 9:02:52 PM PDT by Mark17 (Retired USAF air traffic controller. Father of USAF pilot. USAF aviation runs in the family )
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To: BipolarBob

All of your interpretations on Matthew 16:18 are known to be wrong by even Protestant scholars. What you’re defending has no defense. All of your arguments have already been refuted in what I posted and linked to.


73 posted on 10/13/2022 4:27:42 AM PDT by vladimir998 ( Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: daniel1212

All of your interpretations on Matthew 16:18 are known to be wrong by even Protestant scholars. What you’re defending has no defense. All of your arguments have already been refuted in what I posted and linked to.


74 posted on 10/13/2022 4:27:58 AM PDT by vladimir998 ( Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998

——>Hundreds of years of Protestants were wrong - as admitted by other Protestants.

...Yes, modern day Protestants that believe in the Satanic lie of the Pre Trib Rapture, admit/believe it (and many posting on this very thread). They say the protest is over, that the Catholic church can’t be the Antichrist power, because it doesn’t jive with the PTR doctrine. And where did that doctrine come from??? THE CATHOLIC CHURCH of all places. The Antichrist power authored a theory to divert criticism by the Reformers, that the Papacy was the Antichrist power. And almost all of the Protestant world now believes it.

Were the 150+ million Protestant Reformers, who were tortured and put to death, just idiots? Just Wrong? Nope.

Maybe you have never read ROMANISM AND THE REFORMATION by H. Grattan Guiness, published in 1887? He was one of the great Protestant ministers of his time, and certainly did not admit to your assertion. Quite the opposite.

https://www.whitehorsemedia.com/docs/romanism_and_the_reformation.pdf

Bible prophecy identifies the Antichrist power (I showed you that just a few posts back). No doubt about it. Every Reformer saw and understood it. Millions went to their deaths as a result. The Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon and her Harlot daughters are the Protestant churches who left Catholicism but still believe and follow grievous errors (most of the Protestant world and any church that teaches the PTR, OSAS/OJAJ, God’s law was abolished at the cross, Sunday Sabbath, etc...). Know anyone that believes and teaches this? I do. I’m not very popular for saying it. Actually, I was told that I’m “hated” by everyone on this religion forum. Fine thing to say from those “Christians”, right? Plenty of “Christians” proclaiming the name of Jesus, will be lost, because of LAWLESSNESS.

Matthew 7:
21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’…


75 posted on 10/13/2022 5:44:59 AM PDT by Philsworld
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To: daniel1212

I agree with that, but Rome has a ton more errors, sophistries, and fairy tales to add to the error list.


76 posted on 10/13/2022 5:55:40 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: Mark17

Officially I’m not sure.
Traditionally, I would say absolutely.

Every time I discuss promises yet to be fulfilled to Israel they roll their eyes.


77 posted on 10/13/2022 5:57:02 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: Philsworld

you wrote:

“...Yes, modern day Protestants that believe in the Satanic lie of the Pre Trib Rapture,”

No. If the best you can do is mischaracterize every Protestant who disagrees with you, then you’re not helping your case much.


78 posted on 10/13/2022 6:00:38 AM PDT by vladimir998 ( Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998
All of your interpretations on Matthew 16:18 are known to be wrong by even Protestant scholars.

Well it's a good thing I don't put much stock in Protestant and Catholic scholars. I'm Judaeo-Christian which means I'm out of the mainstream anyway.
So though how I read it may seem foolish, the Bible says the foolishness of God is greater than the wisdom of man. Let God judge which way is correct. Historically, the majority is seldom correct, they chose Barabbas over Jesus.

79 posted on 10/13/2022 6:03:07 AM PDT by BipolarBob (I was born into this world with nothing . . and I still have most of it .)
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To: daniel1212

I very much appreciate your arguments, Daniel.

I would like to ask you, what happened to Peter’s flock? And were the Jews, prior to the stoning of Stephen, still expecting the Kingdom of Israel to come very soon?

Whom did Jesus have in mind as who was to be His church when He told Peter that He would build His church, at the time He said it to Peter, that is?

Thank you always and forever, Daniel. I’ve learned a lot from you during the years.


80 posted on 10/13/2022 6:13:30 AM PDT by SouthernClaire (God Help America!)
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