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Malta: Pope Dumps Cross to Appease Muslims
Church Militant ^ | April 4, 2022 | Jules

Posted on 04/04/2022 5:37:38 PM PDT by ebb tide

Malta: Pope Dumps Cross to Appease Muslims

VALLETTA, Malta (ChurchMilitant.com) - Organizers canceled the crucifix from the papal podium because Pope Francis did not want to offend illegal Muslim migrants during the climax of his Malta trip.

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A migrant shares testimony at the John XXIII Peace Lab

Instead, recycled plastic bottles with red blobs were used to design the backdrop for the pope's address to migrants at the John XXIII Peace Lab in Ħal-Far on Saturday, a voluntary organization run by leftist Franciscan friar Fr. Dionysius Mintoff. 

"When you look deeper, you will see that the sea is made of recycled plastic bottles, because there is more plastic than fish in our sea. And the red blobs are life jackets — the lives of people lost at sea," artistic director Carlo Schembri explained. 

Schembri, who was commissioned to design the key backdrops for the papal visit to Malta, insisted he was being faithful to Francis' primary reason for visiting the island — to defend migrants and the ecology.

"The podium will not be adorned with a crucifix, given that the majority of migrants are Muslim," the Malta archdiocese noted,  in an article published on its website, adding that "the pontiff's visit is expected to draw attention to the brutal situation of Malta's migrant community."

Why is the pope ashamed of the Cross before Muslims, especially during Lent?GabTweet

"The majority of the illegal immigrants trafficked to Malta on rickety boats leaving the Libyan coastline are not genuine refugees, but economic migrants — and are mainly Muslim young men aged between 18 and 28," Dr. Philip Beattie, president of Pro Malta Christiana, told Church Militant. 

"Saint Paul preached 'Christ crucified — a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles' when he brought the gospel to Malta. The Apostle boasted in the scandal of the Cross. Why is the pope ashamed of the Cross before Muslims, especially during Lent?" asked Beattie, an economist at the University of Malta.

Scenes from Pope Francis' apostolic pilgrimage to Malta


Beattie lamented:

Francis said nothing about the anti-family onslaught unleashed by the LGBTQ+ lobby and their socialist allies during his address to Malta's president, George Vella. He also remained silent on Prime Minister Robert Abela's threat to discuss the introduction of euthanasia and extend "full reproductive rights" and "genetic screening" for unborn babies in the Labour 2022 electoral manifesto. Vella and Abela are both Catholic. 

The "gifts" Malta has received with illegal immigration are the exploitation of ... African and Middle Eastern migrants as cheap labor on Malta's construction sites and in garbage collection, whilst a considerable number are imprisoned for violent crimes committed against Maltese citizens — robbery and drug trafficking offenses, among others. 

However, priests who boycotted the papal visit in protest, fearing that the visit would be manipulated by Abela's recently elected socialist government, told Church Militant they were pleasantly surprised by the tone of Francis' addresses. 

Continue to defend life from its beginning to its natural end.GabTweet

"It is almost as if he has had a conversion after consecrating Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary," one priest said, noting how Francis had indeed railed against corruption in Malta. 

Addressing a distinguished gathering at the presidential palace, the pontiff emphasized the "need to shore up the foundations of life in society, which rests on law and legality." He called on the president to "always cultivate legality and transparency, which will enable the eradication of corruption and criminality — neither of which acts openly and in broad daylight."

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Francis points to a depiction of migration, on the papal plane

The pope also thundered against the "rapacious greed" of land speculators, saying their "avarice" risks "compromising not only the landscape, but the very future." The statement has been interpreted by many as a warning to Malta's archbishop Charles Scicluna — currently embroiled in a land-grab scandal, as Church Militant earlier reported.

Francis also blasted the "ideological colonization" of the current Western worldview "that goes against the right to life from the moment it is conceived."

Dovetailing the issue of abortion with concern for migrants, the pontiff preached: 

I am aware of the commitment of the Maltese people to embracing and protecting life. Already in the Acts of the Apostles, the people of this island were known for saving many lives. I encourage you to continue to defend life from its beginning to its natural end — but also to protect it at every moment from being cast aside and deprived of care and concern.

However, faithful Catholics lamented that the pope did not mention the words "Jesus," "sin" or "repentance" during his address to the predominantly Catholic audience at the presidential palace. 

It is almost as if he had a conversion after consecrating Russia.GabTweet

Francis also sent a strong message to Russian oligarchs by not visiting the Sanctuary Basilica of the Assumption of Our Lady in Mosta, a shrine the pontiff himself raised to the status of a basilica, another priest told Church Militant. The Maltese hierarchy received 850,000 euros in August 2021 to floodlight the basilica, all from the sale of passport funds. 

Amid Western sanctions, Russian oligarchs have been snapping up Maltese passports, which allow them unrestricted access to Europe. Russian citizens represent a quarter of all applicants for Malta's "golden passport" scheme, which allows high-income individuals to acquire a Maltese passport within one to three years. 

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Pope Francis praying in St. Paul's Grotto in Rabat, Malta

"That Malta is a corruption-ridden tax haven with a financialized economy that has driven waves of unbridled construction that has reduced the island to a mass of concrete, glass and aluminum is hardly a secret," Beattie lamented. 

"Indeed, with last week's expected victory of Abela's socialists at the general elections, little will change," the economist noted. He added that "with this papal visit coming only seven days after the polls, many Maltese were left feeling that, despite the pope's comments, this visit has in some way 'canonized' the present Maltese governing regime."

Beattie said that the Vatican had "conveniently backtracked" on its "own self-declared policy that no papal visit was possible during a 15-day period prior to or after a country's political elections."

"The Labour Party has an unenviable track record in enacting the most liberal, anti-Christian legislation pushing so-called civil liberties over a relatively short space of time," Beattie remarked.

In February, after the papal visit was announced, Pro Malta Christiana ran a full-page paid advertisement in The Malta Independent, warning that "the dictatorship of relativism which threatens our country is moving Malta in a dangerous secularist and multicultural direction where objective truth will count for nothing."

"One can only speculate whether the present Vicar of Christ has really walked in the footsteps of the Apostle St. Paul during his sojourn in Malta," Beattie concluded.


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To: ebb tide

I wish they would remove him. He’s no Catholic.


61 posted on 04/05/2022 9:11:00 PM PDT by Trillian
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To: ebb tide
Who claims Bergoglio was duly elected?

He MUST have been, or else your church is not following its own rules.


It is infested with PROTS!!


62 posted on 04/06/2022 2:23:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide

I see you agree that your chosen religion is REALLY corrupted by those with their own agenda.


63 posted on 04/06/2022 2:24:13 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
Tut tut MM.

Only GOOD popes get in.

They go bad when in office a while.


Catholic_Wannabe_Dude(Hail MAry! Only SHE can protect you from bad popes!!)

64 posted on 04/06/2022 2:26:57 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
Why don’t you two wonder about your own cults and whether the Holy Spirit guides all your homo preachers?

HELP!!


They're ganging up on me!

65 posted on 04/06/2022 2:28:26 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Trillian

He is just as much “Catholic” as Ebb is!!

Remember that ‘baptism’ thingy.


66 posted on 04/06/2022 2:29:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
During the early Middle Ages, the laity began to associate themselves with various monastic orders and formed Confraternities, secular oblates that would receive the scapular to wear upon death, as a sign of great honor.  Eventually, this tradition transformed into the small sacramental scapulars of today that are worn daily under or over regular clothing as an open sign of devotion.  The four oldest scapulars originated from four confraternities, the Carmelites, Servites, Trinitarians, and the Mercederians.  Today there are many more kinds of scapulars, and not all of them associated with a particular confraternity. 
 
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A small scapular must consist of two wool squares of cloth, connected by two strings (of any material), so that one segment rests on your chest and the other on your back.  If you would like, you can wear more than one scapular at a time, so long as each scapular is complete.  Once you have your scapular it is important to have it blessed by a priest and, if necessary, to become invested in the confraternity associated with it (a further blessing that can be granted by an authorized priest). 
 
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Once you have your scapular blessed, it must be worn at all times in order to share in the indulgences and privileges of the particular scapular.  Should you remove the scapular for any period of time you are no longer eligible for its associated blessings, however, as soon as you resume wearing the scapular you are reinvested in its indulgences. Should your scapular wear out, you may replace it with a new scapular, as the indulgences are invested in the devotion of the wearer, not the object. Although the initial scapular investment prayer is recited only once and is bound to the wearer, each new scapular that replaces a worn or lost one can be blessed by a priest. 

 

Types of Scapulars

Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel (Brown Scapular)

Scapular of Conversion (Green Scapular)

Scapular of the Immaculate Conception (Blue Scapular)

Scapular of the Passion (Red Scapular)

Scapular of the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus

Scapular of Our Lady of Ransom (Ransom)

 

https://www.catholiccompany.com/content/how-to-use-the-scapular#

 

 

 


How to understand highlighted stuff:
 
Folks making up their own rules.
Hard and fast rule.
Not so hard and fast.

67 posted on 04/06/2022 2:46:01 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
He’s your president, metmom. He’s yours.

And WE can 'vote' him out!

You poor schmucks are STUCK with your jerk!

68 posted on 04/06/2022 2:47:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Huskrrrr

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍


69 posted on 04/06/2022 3:00:18 AM PDT by ZULU (HOOVER, FREEH, MUELLER, COMEY, WRAY, SUCCESSION OF STATISTS)
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To: ebb tide; Elsie
Biden says our taxpayer dollars have to support murdering babies. He says we should have open borders and homo marriages. He’s your president, metmom. He’s yours. You must obey his executive orders

Show me where that is written into the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.

And since you’re an American, that applies to you as well.

And I am not the one defending the organization that put him in power, like you do with Catholicism.

Unum Sanctum is a papal bull from YOUR very own religion. It does not allow you the freedom to do what you allow yourself to do, which puts you in schism with Catholicism and endangers your eternal soul.

FWIW, people have noticed that there’s not a single Catholic good enough for you. No other Catholic is Catholic enough to meet the standards of the Church of Ebb Tide.

That would of necessity, make you your own pope with YOPIOCCC.

70 posted on 04/06/2022 6:26:16 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith….)
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To: ebb tide
How did Biden get into office, metmom?

How is the relevant to anything relating to Catholicism?

Catholicism has a whole different system of governance than the United States.

YOUR church installed this pope by their standard approved protocol. Your church documents demand loyalty to the sitting pope, like him or not or agree with him or not.

You are not given the option by the church hierarchy of dissenting from it. Catholic documents are pretty clear that you submit to their leadership or go to hell.

71 posted on 04/06/2022 6:30:43 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith….)
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To: Elsie

Is Peter the ROCK that the church is built on?

Yes. Christ established His Catholic Church and appointed St Peter and his successors to lead it. Even St Peter denied Christ 3 times.

And he repented. Yes Lord you know I love you (3 times)

Pope Francis has not changed the Catholic beliefs, even if his confusing comments (his personal opinion) may cause confusion.


72 posted on 04/07/2022 5:01:09 AM PDT by ADSUM ( )
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To: Elsie

Is Peter the ROCK that the church is built on?

Yes. Christ established His Catholic Church and appointed St Peter and his successors to lead it. Even St Peter denied Christ 3 times.

And he repented. Yes Lord you know I love you (3 times)

Pope Francis has not changed the Catholic beliefs, even if his confusing comments (his personal opinion) may cause confusion.


73 posted on 04/07/2022 5:01:09 AM PDT by ADSUM ( )
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To: ADSUM
Why do you disagree with so many Church Fathers?


As regards the oft-quoted Mt. 16:18, note the bishops promise in the profession of faith of Vatican 1,

Likewise I accept Sacred Scripture according to that sense which Holy mother Church held and holds, since it is her right to judge of the true sense and interpretation of the holy scriptures; nor will I ever receive and interpret them except according to the unanimous consent of the fathers.http://mb-soft.com/believe/txs/firstvc.htm

 

Yet as the Dominican cardinal and Catholic theologian Yves Congar O.P. states,

Unanimous patristic consent as a reliable locus theologicus is classical in Catholic theology; it has often been declared such by the magisterium and its value in scriptural interpretation has been especially stressed. Application of the principle is difficult, at least at a certain level. In regard to individual texts of Scripture total patristic consensus is rare...One example: the interpretation of Peter’s confession in Matthew 16:16-18. Except at Rome, this passage was not applied by the Fathers to the papal primacy; they worked out an exegesis at the level of their own ecclesiological thought, more anthropological and spiritual than juridical. — Yves M.-J. Congar, O.P., p. 71

 

And Catholic archbishop Peter Richard Kenrick (1806-1896), while yet seeking to support Peter as the rock, stated that,

“If we are bound to follow the majority of the fathers in this thing, then we are bound to hold for certain that by the rock should be understood the faith professed by Peter, not Peter professing the faith.” — Speech of archbishop Kenkick, p. 109; An inside view of the vatican council, edited by Leonard Woolsey Bacon.

 

Your own CCC allows the interpretation that, “On the rock of this faith confessed by St Peter, Christ build his Church,” (pt. 1, sec. 2, cp. 2, para. 424), for some of the ancients (for what their opinion is worth) provided for this or other interpretations.

 

Ambrosiaster [who elsewhere upholds Peter as being the chief apostle to whom the Lord had entrusted the care of the Church, but not superior to Paul as an apostle except in time], Eph. 2:20:

Wherefore the Lord says to Peter: 'Upon this rock I shall build my Church,' that is, upon this confession of the catholic faith I shall establish the faithful in life. — Ambrosiaster, Commentaries on Galatians—Philemon, Eph. 2:20; Gerald L. Bray, p. 42

 

Augustine, sermon:

"Christ, you see, built his Church not on a man but on Peter's confession. What is Peter's confession? 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' There's the rock for you, there's the foundation, there's where the Church has been built, which the gates of the underworld cannot conquer.John Rotelle, O.S.A., Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine , © 1993 New City Press, Sermons, Vol III/6, Sermon 229P.1, p. 327

Upon this rock, said the Lord, I will build my Church. Upon this confession, upon this that you said, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God,' I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not conquer her (Mt. 16:18). John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City, 1993) Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 236A.3, p. 48.

 

Augustine, sermon:

For petra (rock) is not derived from Peter, but Peter from petra; just as Christ is not called so from the Christian, but the Christian from Christ. For on this very account the Lord said, 'On this rock will I build my Church,' because Peter had said, 'Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.' On this rock, therefore, He said, which thou hast confessed, I will build my Church. For the Rock (Petra) was Christ; and on this foundation was Peter himself built. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Christ Jesus. The Church, therefore, which is founded in Christ received from Him the keys of the kingdom of heaven in the person of Peter, that is to say, the power of binding and loosing sins. For what the Church is essentially in Christ, such representatively is Peter in the rock (petra); and in this representation Christ is to be understood as the Rock, Peter as the Church. — Augustine Tractate CXXIV; Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers: First Series, Volume VII Tractate CXXIV (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf107.iii.cxxv.html)

 

Augustine, sermon:

And Peter, one speaking for the rest of them, one for all, said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God (Mt 16:15-16)...And I tell you: you are Peter; because I am the rock, you are Rocky, Peter-I mean, rock doesn't come from Rocky, but Rocky from rock, just as Christ doesn't come from Christian, but Christian from Christ; and upon this rock I will build my Church (Mt 16:17-18); not upon Peter, or Rocky, which is what you are, but upon the rock which you have confessed. I will build my Church though; I will build you, because in this answer of yours you represent the Church. — John Rotelle, O.S.A. Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City Press, 1993), Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 270.2, p. 289

 

Augustine, sermon:

Peter had already said to him, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' He had already heard, 'Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of the underworld shall not conquer her' (Mt 16:16-18)...Christ himself was the rock, while Peter, Rocky, was only named from the rock. That's why the rock rose again, to make Peter solid and strong; because Peter would have perished, if the rock hadn't lived. — John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City, 1993) Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 244.1, p. 95

 

Augustine, sermon:

...because on this rock, he said, I will build my Church, and the gates of the underworld shall not overcome it (Mt. 16:18). Now the rock was Christ (1 Cor. 10:4). Was it Paul that was crucified for you? Hold on to these texts, love these texts, repeat them in a fraternal and peaceful manner. — John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City Press, 1995), Sermons, Volume III/10, Sermon 358.5, p. 193

 

Augustine, Psalm LXI:

Let us call to mind the Gospel: 'Upon this Rock I will build My Church.' Therefore She crieth from the ends of the earth, whom He hath willed to build upon a Rock. But in order that the Church might be builded upon the Rock, who was made the Rock? Hear Paul saying: 'But the Rock was Christ.' On Him therefore builded we have been. — Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1956), Volume VIII, Saint Augustin, Exposition on the Book of Psalms, Psalm LXI.3, p. 249. (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf108.ii.LXI.html)

 

Augustine, in “Retractions,”

In a passage in this book, I said about the Apostle Peter: 'On him as on a rock the Church was built.'...But I know that very frequently at a later time, I so explained what the Lord said: 'Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church,' that it be understood as built upon Him whom Peter confessed saying: 'Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God,' and so Peter, called after this rock, represented the person of the Church which is built upon this rock, and has received 'the keys of the kingdom of heaven.' For, 'Thou art Peter' and not 'Thou art the rock' was said to him. But 'the rock was Christ,' in confessing whom, as also the whole Church confesses, Simon was called Peter. But let the reader decide which of these two opinions is the more probable. — The Fathers of the Church (Washington D.C., Catholic University, 1968), Saint Augustine, The Retractations Chapter 20.1:.

 

Basil of Seleucia, Oratio 25:

'You are Christ, Son of the living God.'...Now Christ called this confession a rock, and he named the one who confessed it 'Peter,' perceiving the appellation which was suitable to the author of this confession. For this is the solemn rock of religion, this the basis of salvation, this the wall of faith and the foundation of truth: 'For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Christ Jesus.' To whom be glory and power forever. — Oratio XXV.4, M.P.G., Vol. 85, Col. 296-297.

 

Bede, Matthaei Evangelium Expositio, 3:

You are Peter and on this rock from which you have taken your name, that is, on myself, I will build my Church, upon that perfection of faith which you confessed I will build my Church by whose society of confession should anyone deviate although in himself he seems to do great things he does not belong to the building of my Church...Metaphorically it is said to him on this rock, that is, the Saviour which you confessed, the Church is to be built, who granted participation to the faithful confessor of his name. — 80Homily 23, M.P.L., Vol. 94, Col. 260. Cited by Karlfried Froehlich, Formen, Footnote #204, p. 156 [unable to verify by me].

 

Cassiodorus, Psalm 45.5:

'It will not be moved' is said about the Church to which alone that promise has been given: 'You are Peter and upon this rock I shall build my Church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.' For the Church cannot be moved because it is known to have been founded on that most solid rock, namely, Christ the Lord. — Expositions in the Psalms, Volume 1; Volume 51, Psalm 45.5, p. 455

 

Chrysostom (John) [who affirmed Peter was a rock, but here not the rock in Mt. 16:18]:

Therefore He added this, 'And I say unto thee, Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church; that is, on the faith of his confession. — Chrysostom, Homilies on the Gospel of Saint Matthew, Homily LIIl; Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf110.iii.LII.html)

 

Cyril of Alexandria:

When [Peter] wisely and blamelessly confessed his faith to Jesus saying, 'You are Christ, Son of the living God,' Jesus said to divine Peter: 'You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church.' Now by the word 'rock', Jesus indicated, I think, the immoveable faith of the disciple.”. — Cyril Commentary on Isaiah 4.2.

 

Origen, Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew (Book XII):

“For a rock is every disciple of Christ of whom those drank who drank of the spiritual rock which followed them, 1 Corinthians 10:4 and upon every such rock is built every word of the church, and the polity in accordance with it; for in each of the perfect, who have the combination of words and deeds and thoughts which fill up the blessedness, is the church built by God.'

“For all bear the surname ‘rock’ who are the imitators of Christ, that is, of the spiritual rock which followed those who are being saved, that they may drink from it the spiritual draught. But these bear the surname of rock just as Christ does. But also as members of Christ deriving their surname from Him they are called Christians, and from the rock, Peters.” — Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew (Book XII), sect. 10,11 ( http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/101612.htm)

 

Hilary of Potier, On the Trinity (Book II): Thus our one immovable foundation, our one blissful rock of faith, is the confession from Peter's mouth, Thou art the Son of the living God. On it we can base an answer to every objection with which perverted ingenuity or embittered treachery may assail the truth."-- (Hilary of Potier, On the Trinity (Book II), para 23; Philip Schaff, editor, The Nicene & Post Nicene Fathers Series 2, Vol 9.

74 posted on 04/07/2022 4:32:57 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM
Why do you disagree with your Catechism?


Catholic Catechism
 
SECOND EDITION


PART ONE
THE PROFESSION OF FAITH

SECTION TWO
THE PROFESSION OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH

CHAPTER TWO
I BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST, THE ONLY SON OF GOD

 

422 'But when the time had fully come, God sent forth his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.'1 This is 'the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God':'2 God has visited his people. He has fulfilled the promise he made to Abraham and his descendants. He acted far beyond all expectation - he has sent his own 'beloved Son'.3

423 We believe and confess that Jesus of Nazareth, born a Jew of a daughter of Israel at Bethlehem at the time of King Herod the Great and the emperor Caesar Augustus, a carpenter by trade, who died crucified in Jerusalem under the procurator Pontius Pilate during the reign of the emperor Tiberius, is the eternal Son of God made man. He 'came from God',4 'descended from heaven',5 and 'came in the flesh'.6 For 'the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father. . . And from his fullness have we all received, grace upon grace.'7

424 Moved by the grace of the Holy Spirit and drawn by the Father, we believe in Jesus and confess: 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.'8 On the rock of this faith confessed by St. Peter, Christ built his Church.9

75 posted on 04/07/2022 4:57:05 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

I don’t disagree with the Catholic Catechism or the Catholic Faith that has been taught by Jesus Christ and His Catholic Church.

You can cite the Catechism and Church Fathers, but not produce any cogent thought and understanding.


76 posted on 04/08/2022 6:18:08 AM PDT by ADSUM ( )
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To: ADSUM
You can cite the Catechism and Church Fathers, but not produce any cogent thought and understanding.

At least I am not the one who is gonna have to answer the question:

What part of - "On the rock of this faith confessed by St. Peter, Christ built his Church." - do you fail to understand.

77 posted on 04/08/2022 4:03:21 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Read and try to understand post 72.

Your incoherent ramblings are no longer worthy of a reply as they do not contribute to reasoned discussion.


78 posted on 04/08/2022 5:38:51 PM PDT by ADSUM ( )
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To: ADSUM
Pope Francis has not changed the Catholic beliefs, even if his confusing comments (his personal opinion) may cause confusion.

Then why have so many FR Catholics gotten their knickers in a knot over him?

Read your own words here:

Christ established His Catholic Church and appointed St Peter and his successors to lead it.

Now quit complaining!

79 posted on 04/09/2022 7:03:03 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM
Read and try to understand post 72.

OK; I'll give it another look.



elsie: Is Peter the ROCK that the church is built on?

 

ADSUM: Yes. Christ established His Catholic Church and appointed St Peter and his successors to lead it. 

 

Wrong. Your explanation doesn't even include the word rock.

Wrong again.  Christ established His catholic (universal) church.  Rome started the Catholic Church. 

 


80 posted on 04/09/2022 7:18:45 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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