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To: metmom

In I John 2:13-14, St. John refers to the leaders of the church in Ephesus to whom he is most likely writing as “fathers” twice. And notice he gives them the title “father.”

I am writing to you, fathers, because you know him who is from the beginning. I am writing to you, young men, because you have overcome the evil one. I write to you, children, because you know the Father. I write to you, fathers, because you know him who is from the beginning…

Notice, he does not say they are “fathers” because they are married with children. They are “fathers,” spiritually speaking. And they are presumably “on the earth.”

If a Catholic is wrong in calling his priest “father,” then everyone who refers to his own natural father as “father” is also in the wrong. Both usages would be prohibited by a literal interpretation of Jesus’ words.

Jesus came not to abolish but to fulfill the Law of the Old Covenant (Mt 5:17). If in Matthew 23:9 he literally forbids us even to acknowledge our natural fathers as our fathers, how can we keep the fourth commandment (“honor your father and your mother”)? Taken literally, Jesus’ words in Matthew 23:9 contradict his claim in Matthew 5:17, but we know that the Son of God never contradicts himself.

Why did Jesus declare that no Christian leader is to be called “rabbi” or “father”? He was telling us that no leader may set up his own interpretation of the Catholic faith and seek followers for his opinions. The role of leaders in Christ’s Church is faithfully to hand on Christ’s teaching received through the apostles (Mt 28:19). The words of the apostle Paul epitomize the essential attitude of the Christian teacher: “This is what I received from the Lord and in turn passed on to you” (1 Cor 11:23). Paul condemns in the church at Corinth “these slogans you have, like ‘I am for Paul,’ ‘I am for Apollos,’ ‘I am for Cephas’ (1 Cor 1:12).

The history of Protestantism is essentially the story of this very process—the unending proliferation of sectarian groups, saying “I am for Martin Luther” or “I am for John Calvin” or “I am for John Wesley.” The World Christian Encyclopedia (David B. Barrett, ed.; Oxford, 1982) reported that in 1980 there were 20,780 distinguishable Christian denominations in the world. Moreover, at the time the encyclopedia was published, an average of 270 new denominations were springing up each year–more than five every week. If that rate has continued, then there are over 25,000 denominations today. Every single one of these competing, contradicting denominations was formed by some person who said, in effect, “Call me ‘Master,’ call me ‘Teacher’; I will tell you what the Christian truth is!”

Incidentally, both Old and New Testaments associate priesthood with fatherhood (cf. Jgs 17:10, 18:19, and 1 Cor 4:15), but in this case, Jesus’ command is not violated. Being a simple priest is in no way turning yourself into a guru and founding your own school of thought.

https://www.catholic.com/qa/how-can-we-respond-to-the-call-no-man-father-question

At some point when protestants pray the ‘Our Father’ they should realize that when requesting ‘our daily bread’, they are praying for the Eucharist.

If they truly wish to enter Heaven, then they will accept the Catholic understanding of the Bible, instead of Satan’s lies.


390 posted on 04/05/2021 4:13:00 AM PDT by ADSUM ( )
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To: ADSUM
It appears you've been TAUGHT how to ignore the plain words of Christ.
397 posted on 04/05/2021 4:51:23 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM

“ At some point when protestants pray the ‘Our Father’ they should realize that when requesting ‘our daily bread’, they are praying for the Eucharist.”

Absolutely false statement. We are taught to pray for our need for nourishment that day. It has nothing to do with any Eucharist.

That is made up and not in the passage.

“If they truly wish to enter Heaven, then they will accept the Catholic understanding of the Bible, instead of Satan’s lies.”

The Roman church has added paganism to what it teaches, while ignoring the one way or salvation That is satan’s lies.

If you were saved, you could see the truth, but you’ve previously indicated you do not know you are saved, which is as sad as it gets.

You are here condemning those who belong to Him - the saved - for believing His words, while rejecting those words that could lead to your own salvation.

That is foolish.


399 posted on 04/05/2021 4:58:26 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (I'd rather be anecdotally alive than scientifically dead...)
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To: ADSUM

Wait.....

I thought the words of Jesus took precedent over everything else in Scripture and here you are trying to excuse violating Jesus very clear command with excuses like *Everyone else is doing it.* , just the kind you hear from a little kid when they do something wrong.

Did Jesus say to call no man *Father* or not?

Yes or no.


403 posted on 04/05/2021 5:36:11 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: ADSUM

The catholic understanding of the Bible contains a great many of Satans lies. it thanks for confirming the Roman belief that one must accept catholic teaching to go to heaven


407 posted on 04/05/2021 5:59:12 AM PDT by Mom MD
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To: ADSUM
I am writing to you, fathers, because you know him who is from the beginning. I am writing to you, young men, because you have overcome the evil one. I write to you, children, because you know the Father. I write to you, fathers, because you know him who is from the beginning…

1Jn 2:12  I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake. 
1Jn 2:13  I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.
  1Jn 2:14  I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one. 

In I John 2:13-14, St. John refers to the leaders of the church in Ephesus to whom he is most likely writing as “fathers” twice. And notice he gives them the title “father.”
Notice, he does not say they are “fathers” because they are married with children. They are “fathers,” spiritually speaking. And they are presumably “on the earth".

And you are trying to be serious, aren't you...You must think you are talking to a bunch of Catholic parishioners who have never seen the inside of a bible...

Jesus came not to abolish but to fulfill the Law of the Old Covenant (Mt 5:17).

And he did...That's why we aren't required to fulfill the law...We couldn't do it, God knew it and sent his Son in our place...

If in Matthew 23:9 he literally forbids us even to acknowledge our natural fathers as our fathers, how can we keep the fourth commandment (“honor your father and your mother”)? Taken literally, Jesus’ words in Matthew 23:9 contradict his claim in Matthew 5:17, but we know that the Son of God never contradicts himself.

Jesus never forbid anyone from acknowledging their father...He forbids people from calling anyone in the clergy Father...You seem to have trouble understanding this stuff...

The role of leaders in Christ’s Church is faithfully to hand on Christ’s teaching received through the apostles (Mt 28:19).

And that we have, in the scriptures...

Paul condemns in the church at Corinth “these slogans you have, like ‘I am for Paul,’ ‘I am for Apollos,’ ‘I am for Cephas’ (1 Cor 1:12).

This is rich coming from a Catholic...Thru you entire history you put 'Cephas' as the head of your religion and then post the scripture that condemns it...

Incidentally, both Old and New Testaments associate priesthood with fatherhood (cf. Jgs 17:10, 18:19, and 1 Cor 4:15)

HaHaHa....

Jdg 17:10  And Micah said unto him, Dwell with me, and be unto me a father and a priest, and I will give thee ten shekels of silver by the year, and a suit of apparel, and thy victuals. So the Levite went in. 
Jdg 17:11  And the Levite was content to dwell with the man; and the young man was unto him as one of his sons. 

Sorry Charlie, no kewpie doll for you today...Here's your father/priest...

Jdg 18:18  And these went into Micah's house, and fetched the carved image, the ephod, and the teraphim, and the molten image. Then said the priest unto them, What do ye? 
Jdg 18:19  And they said unto him, Hold thy peace, lay thine hand upon thy mouth, and go with us, and be to us a father and a priest: is it better for thee to be a priest unto the house of one man, or that thou be a priest unto a tribe and a family in Israel?
  Jdg 18:20  And the priest's heart was glad, and he took the ephod, and the teraphim, and the graven image, and went in the midst of the people. 

419 posted on 04/05/2021 9:16:42 AM PDT by Iscool
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