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Salvation is a free gift of God - Have confidence you are saved!
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Posted on 03/31/2021 8:42:15 AM PDT by Teleios Research

Be convinced of these 4 biblical truths: 1. Each of us has sinned; 2. God is just, requiring a punishment for sin; 3. But out of love God sent His Son, Jesus Christ who by dying on the cross, provided forgiveness of sins in taking man’s deserved punishment; 4. Therefore, by faith alone in Christ’s sacrifice for our sins and belief in His resurrection, man can gain eternal life. (Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 10:9-10, Romans 3:21-26)


TOPICS: Apologetics; General Discusssion; Theology
KEYWORDS: christianity; gospel; salvation
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To: ADSUM
Oh the protestant version of the Bible, just make it up, and pretend it is there. “And Paul’s already been judged by the Lord and found to be just...”
“I’m not aware of anything against myself, but I am not thereby acquitted.” And then he goes on to say, “It’s the Lord who judges.” He’s leaving that act of judgment to God.
At some point, protestants should learn not to change God’s Truth and reject the lies of Satan.

Douay Rheims bible...
[1] Let a man so account of us as of the ministers of Christ, and the dispensers of the mysteries of God. [2] Here now it is required among the dispensers, that a man be found faithful. [3] But to me it is a very small thing to be judged by you, or by man's day; but neither do I judge my own self. [4] For I am not conscious to myself of any thing, yet am I not hereby justified; but he that judgeth me, is the Lord. [5] Therefore judge not before the time; until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts; and then shall every man have praise from God.

My bible
1Co 4:4  For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord. 

Catholic Douay Rheims bible
1Co 4:4  For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord. 

 Your made up concoction
“I’m not aware of anything against myself, but I am not thereby acquitted.”

You might pull this off in a Catholic Church but not here...

421 posted on 04/05/2021 9:47:57 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: ADSUM

“Jesus speaking literally and sacramentally has provided spiritual food and drink for our salvation in the Eucharist, yet protestants reject this spiritual food and drink. Which is more important spiritual food or the manna to sustain the Jews on their journey? “


So which is it, Adsum? You here say the Eucharist is spiritual. Does it turn physically into the flesh and blood of Jesus or not?


422 posted on 04/05/2021 10:21:20 AM PDT by SouthernClaire (God Bless America)
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To: Mark17; ADSUM; MHGinTN; Elsie; aMorePerfectUnion; metmom; boatbums; Mom MD; Iscool

Thanks, Mark.

I would like to know from any former Catholics if there was a yearly study plan for reading the Bible and if the Pauline Epistles were studied. TIA


423 posted on 04/05/2021 10:40:28 AM PDT by SouthernClaire (God Bless America)
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To: ADSUM

The catholic church has nothing g to do with my salvation. My salvation is found in Christ alone


424 posted on 04/05/2021 11:33:29 AM PDT by Mom MD
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To: SouthernClaire

In the Catholic religion?

None.

We were told growing up that we shouldn’t read the Bible because we couldn’t understand it. Only those so trained, ie priests and nuns, could and if we had questions, we should ask them and they’d explain it to us.

We did have a Catholic Bible at home and a snuck a peek into it every once in a while. Nad I don’t even remember now what I was reading, but deed, it didn’t make any sense. But then again, I could have been reading Ezekiel or something.


425 posted on 04/05/2021 12:27:51 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: ADSUM

“ The Catholic Church was founded for your salvation.”

And here you are saying you don’t even know if you are saved!

Christ died to save us.

Salvation is found in no church, nor does the Scripture say that.

Totally made up.

All false religions/cults claim their group alone can save and you must obey them.

Only Christ saves by saving faith.


426 posted on 04/05/2021 12:44:49 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (I'd rather be anecdotally alive than scientifically dead...)
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To: metmom

Wow, Metmom. Thank you so much for answering!


427 posted on 04/05/2021 1:47:16 PM PDT by SouthernClaire (God Bless America)
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To: Iscool
1Co 4:4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.

Your made up concoction “I’m not aware of anything against myself, but I am not thereby acquitted.”

Paul will not be acquitted because he won't be on trial...
Paul was justified in Damascus...And there was no doubt in his mind...He was filled with the Spirit...If Paul would have been on trial he certainly would have been acquitted...The Lord had already judged Paul's heart and found him to be just/justified...

That's why Paul wasn't concerned with others judging him or even him judging himself...He was already standing on the plate...

428 posted on 04/05/2021 2:46:58 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Philsworld

Yup.

That’s a couple of them.


429 posted on 04/05/2021 2:48:00 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM
Apparently your anti-Catholic bias precludes any rational understanding.


Apparently, your PRO-apparition hyperdulia supersedes any plainly written biblical understanding.

430 posted on 04/05/2021 2:50:48 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM
Jesus told us there is more to salvation than just belief.

HE sure didn't HERE!!


John 6:28-29

Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”



And the disciple that Jesus loved backs Him up; too!



1 John 3:21-23

Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.


431 posted on 04/05/2021 2:53:44 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM
The Catholic Church was founded for your salvation.

Some folks find that a bit hard to accept...



432 posted on 04/05/2021 2:56:05 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; ADSUM
Life of Catholics in Elizabethan era
Puritanism was the State religion and every church was a Protestant church. It was illegal to be a Jesuit or Roman Catholic priest. As a result of which Catholics lost not only their freedom to worship but their civil rights as well.

Everyone was supposed to attend Church services once a month and it was mandatory to attend the churches for Sunday services. A fine of 12 pence was subjected to those who were absent. Later it was increased to 20.

Attendance to mass, religious catholic activity was strictly prohibited and a fine up to 100 marks was levied upon. Organizing a mass was punishable by the death penalty. However, it was not practised until 1577 when situations got out of control.

On 29 April 1559, new Penal Laws were passed against the Catholics. There were restrictions on attending masses and non-attending of Anglican services. There was a penalty for not taking the Oath of Supremacy.
- all sides were horrific in the 16th century - whether Anglican or Baptist or Catholic or Reformed or Lutheran etc. etc.
433 posted on 04/05/2021 3:00:21 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
“ The Catholic Church was founded for your salvation.”


And here you are saying you don’t even know if you are saved!



434 posted on 04/05/2021 3:02:20 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; ADSUM

You quote 6:28-29 —> why do you leave out John 6:30? Let’s look at the whole piece

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.

35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.

—> He says “Believe in the one He has sent And EAT of My Body and blood”

So why don’t you believe in the one God sent - namely Jesus. The Jesus who said to Eat of His body and drink of His blood?


435 posted on 04/05/2021 3:02:27 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos
...all sides were horrific in the 16th century...

AHHhhh...

Is we complaining about a little bit of payback??

The Tribunal of the Holy Office of the Inquisition, commonly known as the Spanish Inquisition, was established in 1478 by Catholic Monarchs Ferdinand II of Aragon and Isabella I of Castile.

436 posted on 04/05/2021 3:06:15 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cronos
“Believe in the one He has sent And EAT of My Body and blood”

So THAT is why the Marys were at the tomb in the dark on that Sunday morning: to slice up His body for sandwiches!

437 posted on 04/05/2021 3:08:00 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cronos
The Jesus who said to Eat of His body and drink of His blood?

The SAME Jesus that said, "Call no man father." ?
The SAME Jesus that said,"Woe to you, blind guides!"
The SAME Jesus that said, "You blind fools!"
The SAME Jesus that said, "You blind men!"
The SAME Jesus that said, "You blind guides!"
The SAME Jesus that said,"Blind Pharisee!"
The SAME Jesus that said, "You snakes! You brood of vipers!"
The SAME Jesus that said, "...it is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."

 Seems you Catholics have a VERY selective standard on which verses are actual and which are metaphor.
438 posted on 04/05/2021 3:19:44 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM; aMorePerfectUnion; metmom
The Catholic Church was founded for your salvation.

You can accept or reject it. Your choice.

Thank you for giving me the choice. I choose to reject it. 😁 I don’t need the Catholic Church for salvation. You can consider me confused if you want. I am comfortable with that. 👍

439 posted on 04/05/2021 3:34:03 PM PDT by Mark17 (US Air Force, retired. It was a long 20 years. )
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To: Iscool
standing on the plate...

standing on 'home plate'...

440 posted on 04/05/2021 3:37:20 PM PDT by Iscool
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