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Be convinced of these 4 biblical truths: 1. Each of us has sinned; 2. God is just, requiring a punishment for sin; 3. But out of love God sent His Son, Jesus Christ who by dying on the cross, provided forgiveness of sins in taking man’s deserved punishment; 4. Therefore, by faith alone in Christ’s sacrifice for our sins and belief in His resurrection, man can gain eternal life. (Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 10:9-10, Romans 3:21-26)

[Iscool]

He is simply reminding them that our faith needs to be in Jesus Christ and not that law. But obeying the law, which means doing the works is still required. Which Philsworld, Cronos, and I have been saying all along.

What's this mean???

Rom 3:21  But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 

[Iscool]

I trust God’s word. The problem is what people read into it (like Darby) and then people like you believe his fables.

Do you trust this part of God's word???

Rom 10:2  For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 
Rom 10:3  For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 
Rom 10:4  For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. 

[Philsworld]

Do you trust THIS part of God’s word???????

1 John 2
3And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

4He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

5But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

6He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

[Philsworld]

Have fun laughing, Phil.

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Who’s laughing? It’s as serious as it gets. Many (millions? Billions?) of Christians are going to lose their salvation because they have been taught and believe a LIE. No, I’m not laughing.

So you memorized Ribera? Funny that MHGinTN (and probably 99.99% of all non-Catholic Christians) has never heard of him. Let me put that in QUOTES: MHGinTN: “I’ve never heard of Ribera or Futurism” That’s what he told me some time ago when I asked him why his teachers and prophets have never mentioned it on shows like Prophecy Watchers or The pre trib research center, or whatever other site spreads these lies. BECAUSE, that’s where it all started. Don’t give me any of those lies that the ECF’s all believed in futurism or it’s all through the dead sea scrolls? Ridiculous.

Yeah, you guys should give Satan the credit he deserves as the greatest liar of all time. He came up with a doozy with the pre trib rapture/futurism. Satan will be happy to hear that you have the “dam* thing memorized”. You know where it came from and why it came to be and you memorized “dam* thing”. How convenient of the pre trib rapture teachers to bypass Ribera the Jesuit liar, who is the father (no pun intended) of Futurism and that you purposely bypass 2000 years of fulfilled prophecy with your GAP THEORY (yes, that’s what it’s called) in Daniel 9:27. Terrific for you. Many Christians will lose their eternal salvation because the Antichrist that they think they are going to miss, has been here for over 1500 years and he/it will have fooled them into believing probably one of the greatest satanic lie’s ever told (I didn’t say THE greatest so don’t get all hysterical on me).

[Philsworld]

Apply that to yourself, Phil, and please, don’t accept the mark no matter how hungry you are.

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Because those “left behind” get a second chance? No they don’t. That’s a lie from Satan.

And, you keep telling me and everyone else that you think are going to be “left behind” NOT TO ACCEPT THE MARK OF THE BEAST. “One more time” MHG, WHAT IS IT, for crying out loud. Why tell us all not to take/accept it and you won’t tell us what it is? Not very Christian of you. Why don’t you insult me now. Go ahead. It’s ok.

[Philsworld]

“He is under the deception that the Rapture doctrine begin with Pastor Darby.”

“I don’t know how many times this lie of the rapture doctrine began with Darby has been clear-as-day shown to be a lie. I would say “shown to be false” but it’s been shown to be a lie so many times over and over again to the same people who keep lying about it. They’re not committing a mistake to keep posting the false idea, but rather a lie since they’ve been corrected so many times.

(Is lying breaking a commandment?)

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No, he, Irving, and others just tweaked Ribera’s “dam*” theory of Futurism. I told MHG THAT as well. So, MHG saying I said “the rapture theory began with Darby” would be a lie, wouldn’t it? Bearing false witness? Don’t sweat it. It doesn’t bother me one bit that you’re hypocrites when it comes to accusing people of lying. Just so we are clear, THE RAPTURE THEORY BEGAN WITH RIBERA. (Please memorize those “dam*” six words) But, you know that already, right?

[Iscool]

Do you trust THIS part of God’s word???????

1 John 2
3And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Hey I didn't ask you if you could find a verse that you think might cancel out what I posted...I asked if you trusted God's word in Romans 10...Guess you don't like to deal with Romans 10, eh???

[Iscool]

Just so we are clear, THE RAPTURE THEORY BEGAN WITH RIBERA. (Please memorize those “dam*” six words) But, you know that already, right?

Just so you'd quit whinin' I looked up your man Ribera...He hung arund in the 16th Century...Catholic...Although he believed in some sort of Rapture, because of his Catholic upbringing he couldn't piece the scriptures together enough to make sense of it...

But that's as far back as your history books go??? Many of the early church fathers spoke of the Rapture...You ought to check them out...

[Philsworld]

I already told you and your friends that I’m saved by Grace and not by any “works of the law.” But, you don’t believe me. You keep on accusing me. I say I keep God’s commandments and do good works BECAUSE I’m saved. You say that’s being a legalist. I say that’s being a loyalist, to God, out of love to Him. I know what those verses you listed say and I also know what 1 John 2 says and there is no getting around what God calls someone who claims to love him and will not keep his commandments. The word is liar and it comes straight from the lips of Jesus Christ.

[Seven_0]

I have debated doctrine with Seventh Day Adventist for years now. It is amazing how many verses have multiple interpretations. There is one thing though; they do not know what to do with Israel. Any evidence that modern day Israel is part of bible prophecy must not be tolerated. They would destroy men like J. N. Darby or C. I. Scofield because of what they taught. Their doctrine is based on the same Bible we have today and the fact that Israel exist is evidence that these men are right. Their extensive writing outlines their arguments and you can follow them today. The fact that some of their conclusions were relatively new should not be a problem since the bible is still full of things yet to be discovered. Something that should be expected in a book written by the creator of all things. The sum of the effort of all of the men in history has not exhausted the treasure that the Bible contains.

Israel did not exist when the SDA was founded and they usurped some of the promises concerning Israel including blindness.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

The entire SDA doctrine will stand or fall on this issue since this error is connected to the rest of the errors they have made. For instance, they believe that they are the 144,000 in Revelation 7 and 14. It follows that they cannot accept a Pre-tribulation rapture since the 144,000 are still here in the tribulation.

The Pre-tribulation rapture requires that the 144,000 sealed servants remain in unbelief until after the rapture otherwise they would be taken. (So far, so good on this one.) This is why people like Ironside predicted that certain prophecies could not happen until the Jews returned to their land in unbelief. (Circa 1920’s)

The SDA also had a problem when their denomination exceeded 144,000 members so they converted 144,000 from literal to symbolic. God’s symbols are designed to be both symbolic and literal. There will be 12,000 from each of twelve of the tribes of Israel.

Just before the harvest the wheat will bow down and the tares will stand tall. You will be able to discern the difference between the wheat and the tares. The day will declare it

I don't offer proof, just evidence. Watch Israel.

[Philsworld]

Just so you’d quit whinin’ I looked up your man Ribera...He hung arund in the 16th Century...Catholic...Although he believed in some sort of Rapture, because of his Catholic upbringing he couldn’t piece the scriptures together enough to make sense of it...

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First, he’s not my man. He would be YOUR man, because he is literally the one who began the lie we all now know as the pre trib rapture theory. Also, first time you have ever heard of him or looked him up? What took you so long? SouthernClaire knew “every dam* thing” about him. You’re late to the picnic.

No, Iscool. Jesuit Ribera PURPOSELY distorted scripture to convince Protestants and the rest of the world, who were accusing the Catholic Church of being the Antichrist power, that the Antichrist was some guy at the end of the world and could in no way be the persecuting Antichrist power at that time (which they were). He PURPOSELY created a FALSE theory (Futurism) to deflect suspicion somewhere else and far away from the Catholic Church. The whole mission of the Jesuits on this earth was COUNTER REFORMATION. Didn’t you know that? Have you ever read the Jesuit Extreme Oath of Induction. You should if you haven’t read it already. They SWEAR allegiance to the Catholic Church and the POPE. Here’s a little taste if you want to click on the link:

“I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants’ heads against the walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poniard or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of Jesus.”

http://www.reformation.org/jesuit-oath.html#:~:text=Jesuit%20Extreme%20Oath%20of%20Induction%20The%20following%20is,French%2C%20and%20published%20in%20New%20York%20in%201843.

Did the Protestant Reformers buy it? NO THEY DID NOT. They told the Catholic Church to get lost.

The ECF were HISTORICISTS, not FUTURISTS. That is a fact. Repeating the lies of Andy Woods, Ken Johnson, and the like, won’t change the facts.

Here’s some information AGAIN for you to look at (if you want to). You follow the Catholic Church and you don’t even realize it. That’s the sad part.

The Catholic Origins of Futurism and Preterism
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/antichrist.htm

[Philsworld]

There is one thing though; they do not know what to do with Israel.

I don’t offer proof, just evidence. Watch Israel.

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I guess you haven’t heard that there is no longer Greek nor Jew”, etc... Literal Israel is out as God’s chosen people. They blew it. It is now ONLY God’s Israel. You want to watch literal Israel? Be my guest. Satan wants you to because all you guys who believe in the pre trib rapture theory think literal Israel means something and Satan knows that. I’m sure he will have a surprise for you and the unwitting world. Like sheep going to the slaughter (not a care in the world and none the wiser).

Galatians 3:27For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.… (this used to be the Jewish nation, but again, THEY BLEW IT). No coming back as God’s chosen people. Now, it’s just the Israel of God (Spiritual Israel if you will).

SDA bible commentary: Galatians 6:16
Israel of God. That is, spiritual Israel, including both Jews and Gentiles (see Gen.
32:28; Rom. 2:28, 29; Gal. 3:7, 8). They are part of one body—the church of Jesus
Christ.

[Cronos]

I wonder, if approximately 30 million alive residents of America suddenly disappear...

In the Bible, those who are "taken away" in the flood of Noah were the evil ones

Remember that the pre-trib rapture philosophy is from the 19th century. Christians before KNEW that they would need to live through the tribulations - and as Ephraim wrote - they prayed for the strength to get through it

[Cronos]

I wonder, if approximately 30 million alive residents of America suddenly disappear...

In the Bible, those who are "taken away" in the flood of Noah were the evil ones

Remember that the pre-trib rapture philosophy is from the 19th century. Christians before KNEW that they would need to live through the tribulations - and as Ephraim wrote - they prayed for the strength to get through it

The pre-tribulation philosophy denies the number of tribulations that Christians across the world ALREADY face -- do you mean to say that the plight of Christians in Pakistan, in Saudi Arabia, in Yemen aren't worthy of you? And only Christians in the USA are to be spared tribulations? That is not Christian of you and is NOT what Christ said

The Asia Bibis who are persecuted for their faith are deeper believers than many of you who hold to the pre-trib rapture - and she stuck THROUGH the tribulations

The 19th century pre-trib rapture philosophy pushes people away from Christ.

[Cronos]

The SDA also had a problem when their denomination exceeded 144,000 members so they converted 144,000 from literal to symbolic.

True. And then their belief that Jesus returned in 1844

[Iscool]

Galatians 3:27
For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ
. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Hey, you finally made your way to Galatians...But c'mon man, what about all the ones who are NOT in Christ Jesus???

So I guess all these gender benders got it right then, eh??? My wife is an it...And so am I...

Well she can't even be a wife...Marriage is for a man and a woman...The Catholic gender benders one-upped us...

[Iscool]

That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poniard or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of Jesus.”

That reminds me of the oath I took when I became a Mason...

[Iscool]

(see Gen. 32:28; Rom. 2:28, 29; Gal. 3:7, 8).

Different people see different things in the bible...You know what always stuck out at me in those verses in Galations???

Gal 3:7  Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 
Gal 3:8  And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 

You open that book and look in it and that book and it's looking back at you...

Heb 4:12  For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 

That book will cut you to pieces...You ought to know something about that...
And then that book looks inside you and detects with a sense we are not aware of at your motives AND what you intend to do...

Man, what a book...There's not another like it...

[Iscool]

In the Bible, those who are "taken away" in the flood of Noah were the evil ones

That's one of the ways we know this isn't the 2nd Coming...At the 2nd Coming many of the evil ones will again be taken away...

[Iscool]

The 19th century pre-trib rapture philosophy pushes people away from Christ.

Au contraire grasshopper...Knowledge of the Rapture inspires us to always be ready...

You guys get out there and party and think when it's close you'll see some signs and then quickly clean yourselves up...Hunt for some oil...