Posted on 01/02/2021 6:05:47 PM PST by ebb tide
This Sunday, January 3, 2021, is the 500th anniversary of the excommunication of Martin Luther as a heretic and schismatic – the greatest damage ever done to the Holy Catholic Church. He died unrepentant, without the sacraments and outside the One True Church.
Yes, Pope Leo X, who issued the excommunication decree and the previous Exsurge Domine warning (6/15/1520) to Luther, had a mixed record of papal righteousness – but in this event he is nearly unsurpassed and fairly vindicated.
In this writer's view, these documents are two of the most formidable, necessary and courageous decrees emanating from the Chair of Peter, defending the Holy Roman Catholic Church from doctrinal attack. They were subsequently, fully upheld by the Council of Trent – also one of the greatest Councils in Church history – to which we owe very much, especially on the Eucharist!
We still face great danger. With Luther, there was no warning, just 95 absurd theses appearing out of thin air.
Here today, we had a warning in 1917 at Fatima. “Russia will spread her errors throughout the world,” did Our Lady alert the three children and us Catholics.
We feel these effects today – a far more serious warning than Luther. In full deference to Our Lady and the Most Holy Trinity – it is extremely doubtful (despite assertions to the contrary) that the full, correct Consecration to Russia was done; or that the decisive 3rd Secret text was totally revealed.
The errors, it is said, will lead to “The Great Apostasy.” There seems no appetite in the Vatican, at any level, to humbly accept and remedy those grave errors. Rather, a desire to hurtle into the future with Pachamama; Amazon Culture; ecology; and global secular solutions – as moral virtue is completely ignored and vocations and faithful Catholics disappear at record speeds.
Will the Church (and our Country) continue its decline? Will we still continue to receive God’s Divine Mercy and Graces? Are we due for a severe Divine Chastisement?
I am not going to advance an opinion here – only to charitably say, we would all do well to place our own souls in a state of grace, and urge our families, friends and others to do the same.
And Pray. God is very good.
faith is a living and an essential thing, which makes a new creature of man, changes his spirit... Faith cannot help doing good works constantly... if faith be true, it will break forth and bear fruit... where there is no faith there also can be no good works; and conversely, that there is no faith.. where there are no good works. Therefore faith and good works should be so closely joined together that the essence of the entire Christian life consists in both. if obedience and God's commandments do not dominate you, then the work is not right, but damnable, surely the devil's own doings, although it were even so great a work as to raise the dead... if you continue in pride and lewdness, in greed and anger, and yet talk much of faith, St. Paul will come and say, 1 Cor. 4:20, look here my dear Sir, "the kingdom of God is not in word but in power." It requires life and action, and is not brought about by mere talk. Works are necessary for salvation, but they do not cause salvation... faith casts itself on God, and breaks forth and becomes certain through its works... faith must be exercised, worked and polished; be purified by fire... it is impossible for him who believes in Christ, as a just Savior, not to love and to do good. If, however, he does not do good nor love, it is sure that faith is not present... where the works are absent, there is also no Christ... References and more by God's grace. http://peacebyjesus.net/Reformation_faith_works.html
He has been reproved before for his care-less posting of parroted polemics.
A reproof entereth more into a wise man than an hundred stripes into a fool. (Proverbs 17:10)
Yes, as you most eloquently put it, that is what preceded the Reformation.
The current catholic church is, as Paul put it, ‘An other religion’. Reforming an other religion is irrelevant to Christ’s Body of Believers. It is akin to claiming reforming Zen to be more like Taoism will result in more members in the Body of Christ.
According to your God,
Salvation is by grace through faith,
Not by works,
But faith is works.
He’s an idiot, or he thinks we are (which might be right.)
It’s quite an indictment of someone to complain or disagree with the concerned raised in those 95 thesis.
Luther did not post his 95 thesis as an act of rebellion or division, but to point out abuse, yet the pope needed the money from selling indulgences and would have none of his correction. Rome's recalcitrance, which again was on display in abuses cases, fostered the Reformation. And even today you have your "priests with valid concerns are dismissed, marginalized, and silenced by a corrupt hierarchy."
•Cardinal Ratzinger observed, "For nearly half a century, the Church was split into two or three obediences that excommunicated one another, so that every Catholic lived under excommunication by one pope or another, and, in the last analysis, no one could say with certainty which of the contenders had right on his side. The Church no longer offered certainty of salvation; she had become questionable in her whole objective form--the true Church, the true pledge of salvation, had to be sought outside the institution.“ "It is against this background of a profoundly shaken ecclesial consciousness that we are to understand that Luther, in the conflict between his search for salvation and the tradition of the Church, ultimately came to experience the Church, not as the guarantor, but as the adversary of salvation. (Principles of Catholic Theology) See post https://freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3920992/posts?page=80#80 and
And as said one poster wryly stated of V2,
The last time the church imposed its judgment in an authoritative manner on "areas of legitimate disagreement," the conservative Catholics became the Sedevacantists and the Society of St. Pius X, the moderate Catholics became the conservatives, the liberal Catholics became the moderates, and the folks who were excommunicated, silenced, refused Catholic burial, etc. became the liberals. The event that brought this shift was Vatican II; conservatives then couldn't handle having to actually obey the church on matters they were uncomfortable with, so they left. ” Nathan, https://christopherblosser.wordpress.com/2005/05/16/fr-michael-orsi-on-different-levels-of-catholic-teaching (original http://www.ratzingerfanclub.com/blog/2005/05/fr-michael-orsi-on-different-levels-of.html)
A web site popular among “RadTrad” RCs who reject Vatican Two is https://novusordowatch.org with some detail, while we have a more charitable description by a novus ordo priest:
It is certainly possible to discern three tribes within American Catholicism. However, using the Jewish terminology is confusing. “Orthodox,” “Conservative,” and “Reform” do not translate well into American Catholicism. Clearer titles for the three tribes might be “Traditionalist” which correlates with the Jewish “Orthodox.” “Magisterial” because “conservative” Catholics adhere to papal teachings and the magisterium, while “Progressive” reflects the “Reformed” group in Judaism....
Broadly speaking, “Traditionalists” adhere to the Extraordinary Form of the Mass, the Baltimore Catechism, and Church teachings from before the Second Vatican Council...
“Magisterial” Catholics put loyalty to the authority of the pope and magisterial teaching first and foremost. They are happy with the principles of the Second Vatican Council, but want to “Reform the Reform.” They want to celebrate the Novus Ordo Mass with solemnity, reverence, and fine music. ..They uphold traditional Catholic teaching in faith and morals, but wish to communicate and live these truths in an up-to-date and relevant way...
The “Progressives” are vitally interested in peace and justice issues. They’re enthusiastic about serving the marginalized and working for institutional change. They are likely to embrace freer forms of worship, dabble in alternative spiritualities, and be eager to make the Catholic faith relevant and practical. Progressives believe the Church should adapt to the modern age... Maguire sums up their attitude pretty well: Progressives “don’t need the Vatican. Their conscience is their Vatican.” - Is Catholicism about to break into three? Crux Catholic Media Inc. ^ | Oct 6, 2015 | Fr. Dwight Longenecker; http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3778496/posts
And thus you have FR articles as,
Is Catholicism about to break into three?
Archbishop Viganò: We Are Witnessing Creation of a ‘New Church ’
The SSPX's Relationship with Francis: Is it Traditional? post #6
Is the Catholic Church in De Facto Schism?
The Impossibility of Judging or Deposing a True Pope...If Francis is a true Pope …
Dogmatic Fact: The One Doctrine that Proves Francis Is Pope; https://onepeterfive.com/dogmatic-fact-francis-pope/
Thus besides the unscriptural teachings of Catholicism, what God-fearing evangelical should want to leave his or her conservative fellowship, which liberals disdain, and join Rome which they call their church home and she is loath to deal with them? And actions speak louder then words. Teddy K even got a nice letter from your pope (in response to one delivered by Obama), thanking him for his prayers but we hear of not a word of rebuke. To join Rome would mean becoming part of one of her sects claiming to be the faithful RCs, while each of which believes the unscriptural teachings of Catholicism.
Faith and works go together as forgiveness and healing in Mark 2 (thus used interchangeably as "Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk?" Mark 2:9) but as cause and effect, and one must not make the effect to be the cause. It is penitent heart-purifying regenerating faith, (Acts 10:43-47; 15:7-9) which effects obedience by the Spirit (Romans 8"14) that is imputed for righteousness, (Romans 4:5) whereby the redeemed soul is "accepted in the Beloved" (Ephesians 1:6) on His account. And the same will go to be with the Lord at death or at His return (Luke 23:43 [cf. 2 Cor. 12:4; Rv. 2:7]; Phil 1:23; 2Cor. 5:8 [“we”]; 1Cor. 15:51ff; 1Thess. 4:17 ) if they have finally persevered in faith. (Heb. 3:9-14; 10:25-39; Gal. 5:1-4) Glory and thanks be to God.
Must be getting close to 100 reproofs...
Hey all, can you tell me if this link works http://www.tektonics.org (some good apologetics I wanted for some atheists I am dealing with). The owner says works for him but it does not for me, and want to know if it a regional issue. The archive.org site does work: https://web.archive.org/web/20060101023459/http://www.tektonics.org/
Works for me bro
Exactly, and that is why we should not follow Catholicism, since as told and shown you multiple times before, distinctive Catholic teachings are not manifest in the only wholly inspired substantive authoritative record of what the NT church believed, which is Scripture, in particular Acts through Revelation, which best shows how the NT church understood the gospels.
However, we do not expect that to deter your incessant practice as "argument by mere assertion" of refuted propaganda that you can only wish was what Scripture taught, as also told and shown you multiple times before. But such habitually bot-like postings do provide an argument against being a RC., as also told and shown you multiple times before.
link works for me.. Maybe your browser?
Word games. Here is how you can see the trap.
If you don’t do the works, you go to H3ll.
(You twisted Mark 2 BTW.)
“Obedience by the Spirit” you say? Well I am gonna sit here for a while and see if the Spirit” decides to take out the trash.
I don’t expect you to see it.
FReegards to you daniel1212.
I often notice your posts and comments and alwats appreciate your fine contribution here! FR is a better place with you in it!
It works for me, but upgrades it to:
It’s the encrypted connection that’s different for me.
For all of his faults, Martin Luther did more for the Kingdom of Heaven than anybody else since the Apostle Paul.
I thank The Lord for his bravery in the face of such opposition.
Really?
And with absolutely no reason to do so!
How dare he point out errors like...
Oh...
...wait!
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