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He contrasted "the spirit of Catholicism" with "what some have called the 'spirit' of the Second Vatican Council," noting that the former is "set in opposition to the world," while describing the latter as "an embrace of the world."
1 posted on 07/08/2019 3:11:47 PM PDT by ebb tide
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Father Treco responded the next day, telling Bp. Lopes:

Please, be assured that I will recant anything that I have said which is contrary to Catholic Faith; however I am not aware that I have articulated anything against the Catholic Faith. As a matter of accuracy, and so that I may be able to respond to what you believe I have articulated against the Catholic Faith, I ask that you please identify what I said that is contrary to our Catholic Faith? I will recant anything that was wrong to state as I remain faithful to the Church and Magisterium.


2 posted on 07/08/2019 3:16:14 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide

Is Bishop Steven J Lopes homosexual?


3 posted on 07/08/2019 3:17:28 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: ebb tide

Canon law defines schism as denial of communion with the Roman Pontiff or those in communion with him. Where did Fr. Treco do that?


4 posted on 07/08/2019 3:20:53 PM PDT by Campion ((marine dad))
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To: ebb tide

tossing out the priest is a decision far beyond my pay scale
so I won’t comment on that...
but...

closing the parish?????
why? .....
wouldn’t the normal thing be to send in another priest?
or?
won’t the parishioners want to pray, or?

I am open to being informed, please no flames anyone. Thanks.


5 posted on 07/08/2019 3:23:02 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ( “Politicians are not born; they are excreted.” Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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To: ebb tide

bkmk


11 posted on 07/08/2019 3:49:08 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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Is this priest married?

Father Treco's excommunication has deprived him of the means to support his family. In response, backers have set up a GoFundMe page as well as a PayPal account in an attempt to raise funds to sustain them until Fr. Treco can secure secular employment.

14 posted on 07/08/2019 3:55:08 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (KAG! Keep America Great! Vote for President Trump in 2020! KAGA! Keep America Great, Again!)
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preach the truth......get excommunicated.
bugger little boys....get a paid vacation and
a new parish assignment.


15 posted on 07/08/2019 3:55:59 PM PDT by E38 (Very soon, I'm moving to the South Pacific. NO REALLY! C YA)
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As presented here...The good father would appear to be right on target.

the Bshp’s coherent argument is not presented


17 posted on 07/08/2019 4:07:02 PM PDT by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you don't understand, no explanation is possible")
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The Ordinariate (knowing people in it) is terrified of Francis, and I guess this was an attempt by Bp Lopes to suck up to Francis and reassure him that there was not even a hint of less than total Frankie adoration.


18 posted on 07/08/2019 4:08:49 PM PDT by livius
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Hard to imagine the bishop could do this unilaterally? I can’t find any objection to the homily or the priest’s follow-on explanations.


20 posted on 07/08/2019 4:15:26 PM PDT by EDINVA
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I was banned by Church Militant a few years ago after I said some rather uncomplimentary things about Bergoglio. Looks like they've seen the light about Bergoglio now, though.

Go easy on Lopes, folks. At worst, he's a sock puppet. The Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter in the US is a small, fragile organization, probably kept afloat by AmChurch dollars. I'm thinking this excommunication order came from the AmChurch hierarchy who made Lopes an offer he couldn't refuse.

23 posted on 07/08/2019 4:20:44 PM PDT by marshmallow
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Bishop Lopes can break bread with pro abortion Catholic politicians and tolerate predatory homosexual criminal priests, yet ex communicate an ardent priest who dares to speak truth to power. Something has gone very wrong within the Catholic Church.


26 posted on 07/08/2019 4:55:16 PM PDT by allendale (.)
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Folks, I just heard this from a canon lawyer (whose name I cannot divulge) who gave me to understand that when Fr. Treco filed a canonical appeal on the excommunication, from that point on, he ought to be readmitted to the Sacraments until his appeal is concluded. (NB, who knows, but this could take years.)

To paraphrase:

In May, Fr. Treco presented an appeal to the CDF via his canonical advocate. This suspends the effects of the declared penalty.

CIC/83, canon 1353 provides that, “An appeal or a recourse against judgements of a court or against decrees which impose or declare any penalty, has a suspensive effect.”

This suspension of penalty lasts until the case is definitively resolved by the CDF. Thus, Father may return to the sacraments with confidence and without further delay.

I'm no canon layer, but I must say I appreciate that the Catholic Church back in the 17th century --- way in advance of any secular courts --- developed the principle of procedural due process.

So, yay for law. Now for justice.

28 posted on 07/08/2019 5:09:13 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God." - 1 Peter 4:17)
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Rape a child and...... Never mind. Say that the antipope Francis and his perverted, flying monkey priests are full of shit and get excommunicated.

There needs to be another reformation of the church to wrest control from the Marxists.


29 posted on 07/08/2019 5:14:25 PM PDT by wildcard_redneck (Freeper formerly known as WMarshal.......)
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To: ebb tide
Disclaimer: I'm not a theologian. I'm also never perfect in my application of timelines. The Gospel of St John was written roughly two millennia past with me, specifically, in mind. Nevertheless...

Vaughn Treco was my pastor for about 3 months. He was assigned in the interim between the dismissal of a proud, in-your-face homosexual drunk who had been assigned our pastor and the locating of a permanent replacement.

I attend a potentially moribund parish in a city that has hemorrhaged Catholics to suburbia and/or oblivion.

Our current pastor is as good as any and a great deal better than most.

Vaughn Treco is a converted Anglican with a wife and kids. When I was listening to his sermons I thought we could do infinitely worse than to have him permanently assigned. He is that easy to like.

Alas, it wasn't to be.

The leadership of the Catholic Church seems intent on seeing the Church collapse. My guess is I'm old enough that I will likely be dead before they finally succeed. That may be a good thing.

31 posted on 07/08/2019 5:28:07 PM PDT by stevem
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There is no freedom of speech in the Catholic Church.


33 posted on 07/08/2019 5:33:14 PM PDT by I want the USA back (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. Orwell.)
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To: ebb tide

Father Treco wasn’t a predator of young male boys so obviously he had to go!/s


38 posted on 07/08/2019 6:31:34 PM PDT by princeofdarkness (Leftists. Their only response to failure is to double down.)
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I am pretty sure there is a spot for this guy in the SSPX.


43 posted on 07/08/2019 8:01:53 PM PDT by NRx (A man of honor passes his father's civilization to his son without surrendering it to strangers.)
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To: ebb tide

Dang!

The same thing happened to Luther after he complained!


54 posted on 07/11/2019 5:13:29 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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There are times when I am profoundly disappointed in my Church.


60 posted on 07/11/2019 5:30:37 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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