Posted on 03/04/2019 11:22:33 AM PST by Jaded
Edited on 03/04/2019 11:32:56 AM PST by Jim Robinson. [history]
Pope Francis announced Monday that the Vatican’s archives on controversial World War II-era pope Pius XII would be opened up eight years earlier than planned, in 2020, a move seen as an olive branch to Jews who have criticized the Vatican for not doing enough during the Holocaust.
“The church is not afraid of history,” Pope Francis said, announcing the move in a speech to members of the Vatican’s Secret Archives. “On the contrary, it loves it, and would like to love it even more, like it loves God.”
> We are talking about wrong doing.
Yes you are, in a most uninformed manner. I’m talking about what a “secret archive” is and does in an attempt to instruct the ignorant. The ASV is more like a giant library “rare book room” than anything else—it’s not that you can’t see it, but in order to be let in you need to ask to come in and actually have a good reason for asking.
If you a legitimate scholar, you can get in and request access to documents up until the end of the reign of Pius XI (1939). The whole point of this article is that the next 19 years worth of documents (from the reign of Pius XII) will become available next year. For more information on how to access it, see http://asv.vatican.va/content/archiviosegretovaticano/en/consultazione/accesso-e-consultazione.html
“Holocaust-era Pope”? Geez, I thought something else happened from 1939 through 1945. What could it have been...?
That has NOTHING to do with the point. Washington,a founding father & FDR are about POLITICS. Your Pope is about RELIGION. One claims he can get you to heaven. The others make no such claim. C’mon. Compare apples with apples here.
Dear GCC Catholic,
As a retired Army intel guy, also a historian and an archivist for the Army, I totally agree with your explanation in post #34. Well and honestly said.
Grey Friar
Pontifex Francis Usurpator
Really? Peter was the first Pope and was also an Apostle. Washington was the first President and also a Founding Father.
Francis is Pope, but is not an Apostle. Donald Trump is President, but is not a Founding Father.
Do you not understand the concept of an analogy?
“Some of these documents are sensitive because they pertain to the reputation of others”
What would Jesus keep secret? I heard him say a lot about how to live, rebuking the wrong, forgiving them for their wrongs, but not a word about keeping it under wraps.
The church should have a reputation of zero tolerance for bad reputation activities. At least if they represent Jesus.
“No reason for the church to HAVE secret files.”
Then you don’t either, right? Seriously, your statement makes no sense at all.
You don't expect your clergymen to keep confidences? Everything you say to them you expect to be broadcast to everyone in the church?
There's a sin called "detraction," which is telling something negative and reputation-harming about someone else to a person who has no right nor need to know.
Other than the CC who said Peter was the first pope?
When the CC knows about illegal activity it should be reported to law enforcement.
Sabotage?
Can his information release be trusted?
This is an opportunity for him to spread misinformation.
He is a snake.
Have you seen the movie Spotlight? How do you think they discovered the priests in Boston who had sexually molested children? Hello?
I think people will find Pius XII saved so many Jews he made Wallenberg and Schindler look like pikers.
So... in your eyes... any human or entity who has ever done anything wrong must allow access to all of their private information to any human who asks at any time, for all time? Interesting.
You got a speeding ticket 3 years ago. I will need to see your bank records now, including PIN numbers and passcodes, plus those saucy pics you let your BF take way back when.
No speeding ticket. Health insurance and mortgage company have had access to bank account records.
And I don’t do saucy pictures.
Nononono, sorry. I cannot take your word for it. You aren’t Jesus, you did something wrong once, and by your own logic, that entitles me to every private record of yours. Please start transferring them immediately.
We are talking about criminal activity. Of which, the CC has been greatly guilty of. And how do we know that? They are all going or have been filing for bankruptcy.
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