Posted on 01/19/2019 11:33:40 AM PST by Salvation
It is often the mother who is problematic. We cannot know what abusive mothers went through which warped them so decidedly. I am sorry that you dear brother was unable to deal with the pain, I am happy that you are as whole and happy as you can be.
Second and third marriages are a tough row to hoe. So much baggage for most people. You are to be congratulated on your perseverance and good fortune!
My wife first marriage ended in divorce...
It was a civil marriage not a church marriage and a civil divorce...
I have been married only once...
Since my wife and I are not RC no need for the RCC to profit off her mistake by buying an annulment...which is meaningless to us...
Thank you. I have been very fortunate. I did learn some lessons and was lucky enough to find such a special woman.
Even still, I did come a little close to making a big mistake before I met her. The ex husband of that near mistake told me many years later that I owed him for saving me the 11 years of hell he got, LOL. Nice guy. He's had a successful 2nd marriage fortunately.
I escaped infidelity and my wife escaped infidelity and abuse.
We celebrate 45 years this April.
Second time was the CHARM for me
Do not marry the wrong woman. Think twice. Ask questions
And once you have kids. It’s all about them not you anymore
They grow up and then model you
ca·ve·at.[ˈkavēˌat, ˈkävēˌät] NOUN ..caveats (plural noun) a warning or proviso of specific stipulations, conditions, or limitations
I'm not perfect, just forgiven
No offense, but if marriage isn't permanent then it isn't really marriage at all by any Christian definition. It's just a civil arrangement that is actually much weaker than a contract to buy a car. If you need any evidence of that, just see how many marriages end in divorce compared to how many people get out of contracts to buy a car after they've already taken possession of it.
Thank you for sharing.
You don't, so I don't understand what your objection is. You're not subject to Catholic Church law, so you didn't go by it. I'm not subject to Indonesian law. I don't go by that. There's no difference.
As Mayflower correctly notes, this isn't really a Catholic thing. It's a New Testament thing.
As a point of information, if your wife were a Catholic, and her first marriage was (as you say) a civil ceremony, the annulment could have been granted on those grounds alone, without even considering the various other problems in her first marriage.
“As Mayflower correctly notes, this isn’t really a Catholic thing. It’s a New Testament thing.”
It is not a complete reading of the words of Christ.
In Mathew, Jesus also said ...
“Jesus replied, “It was because of your hardness of heart that Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but it was not this way from the beginning. Now I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman, commits adultery.”
Matthew 5:32
Jesus:
“but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.”
That is correct. Here is a detailed treatise on the subject:
I feel you. I completely get it.
Why grant an annulment? There is scripture that in the case of adultery one can be granted a divorce and then one can remarry.
Matthew 5:31-32
“The Bible doesn’t have caveats!”
Except for that ... or you’ll go to Hell if you don’t accept Christ as your personal Savior part. Pretty big caveat. (I do know what “caveat” means. Vocabulary has always been a strong suit.)
“Only a silly god would condemn you after 1 marriage and divorce if you remarried.”
Calling God “silly”: Probably not a great idea. Blasphemy ... ummm ... you know.
The marriage, adultery, remarriage, etc., is written in God’s Word. Take it up with Him if it offends you; I didn’t make it up.
“I’m not perfect, just forgiven.”
Me, too.
That is where the nullity that Msgr. Pope writes about comes into play. Clearly if your mother exhibited harmful, demonic behavior that would possibly be grounds for an annulment of the marriage. It’s a little late in this case, but (Catholic) families suffering this type of dysfunction should consult with a knowledgeable, compassionate priest about annulment.
I don’t have the verses memorized, but Jesus said divorce was not a sin if there is adultery or abandonment.
The Catholic Church will grant annulments because abandonment, adultery, severe abuse, extreme deception (spouse deceived other spouse into marrying under false pretenses), one spouse refusing to have any children.
After I legally divorced my first husband because of adultery, I eventually met my second husband who is Catholic. To be married in the Catholic Church I had to get my first marriage annulled. I filled out what must have been a fifteen page questionnaire and submitted it to the local diocese. Because of the high volume of annulment applications, I waited three years for a decision, finally got my annulment.
Can you give us some biblical evidence to support that???
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