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For your discussion -- "Thou shalt not bear false witness."
1 posted on 08/18/2018 10:09:46 AM PDT by Salvation
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2 posted on 08/18/2018 10:10:53 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

“Honey, does this dress make my butt look fat?”


3 posted on 08/18/2018 10:12:14 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Salvation

The short answer is ‘No’.
Lying is not always wrong when done for the purposes of civil diplomacy or physical survival.
I had to learn that as a teenager, after being taught not to lie.


4 posted on 08/18/2018 10:13:18 AM PDT by lee martell
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To: Salvation
Not if you’re Captain Kirk.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4WRtqmHpLvg

5 posted on 08/18/2018 10:14:19 AM PDT by Simon Green ("Arm your daughter, sir, and pay no attention to petty bureaucrats.")
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I’ve lost jobs because I refused to lie and my family has suffered as a result. I don’t know if what God thinks of that.


7 posted on 08/18/2018 10:20:00 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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“Ah did not have sexual relations with that woman...”

“If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor...”


10 posted on 08/18/2018 10:23:24 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (CNN - the most busted name in news.)
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To: Salvation

I hate to lie. I usually would rather tell the truth. People that know me, know this, so I do not get bothered with silly q’s.


11 posted on 08/18/2018 10:24:38 AM PDT by ronniesgal ( I wonder what his FR handle is??)
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It would seem that lying is not objectively wrong in a matter where the truth is inconsequential. Even a criminal charge of perjury requires the person To make a willful misrepresentation about a fact that is actually relevant to the legal proceeding.


12 posted on 08/18/2018 10:26:43 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("The Russians escaped while we weren't watching them ... like Russians will.")
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I believe that the “holy” book of a certain religion actually condones it.
Now, for $0.0000000000001, guess the religion.


14 posted on 08/18/2018 10:29:56 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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Illustrates the point that as pretty much everyone lies daily...and knowingly....the concept of the "mortal" sin is not a Biblical concept.

If the Roman Catholic truly believes it is a "mortal" sin they will keep their priest right by their side to "receive their forgiveness" as it is clear people lie all the time.

15 posted on 08/18/2018 10:33:01 AM PDT by ealgeone
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The midwives in Egypt also lied to the Pharaoh about why they weren't killing the babies.
16 posted on 08/18/2018 10:35:16 AM PDT by pajama pundit (Why are "liberal progressives" so hateful and intolerent?)
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Social commonplaces can be understood in metaphoric, rather than literal terms. For example, “How are you?” (between strangers in the Post Office line) really means, “Initiation of ritual greeting,” and “I’m fine today. How are you?” means “Ritual response to greeting. Openness to additional exchange.”

“Isn’t my grandson beautiful?” means “Affirm my joy in being a grandparent.” It does not mean, “I want to know what you really think about how my grandson looks.”

Most people who have been normally socialized understand these things without being specifically told. Those with less-than-average social perception, like my Patrick, need to have the inputs and outputs codified for them.

A real set of instructions: “When a random adult at camp asks, ‘How do you like being on camp staff?’ you must give a positive response, such as ‘It’s okay,’ or ‘I’m having fun,’ because he is really saying, ‘I want affirmation that the staff have a positive attitude.’ If you have a real problem, find your supervisor and explain the problem. If you can’t explain the problem to your supervisor, ask him to call me.”


17 posted on 08/18/2018 10:35:57 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Fill in my standard rant.)
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No. The allies created all sorts of lies prior to the D-Day landing. And there are many cases when dealing with evil doers where lying, or deception is called for.


19 posted on 08/18/2018 10:38:45 AM PDT by Will88 (The only people opposing voter ID are those benefiting from voter fraud.)
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“Remember Jerry, if you believe it, it’s not a lie’.


20 posted on 08/18/2018 10:39:10 AM PDT by newfreep ("INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" @HOROWITZ39, DAVID HOROWITZ)
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“Thou shalt not bear false witness.”

“. . . against your neighbor.”

25 posted on 08/18/2018 11:10:01 AM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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Is lying always wrong?

one can lie to protect one's own life and the life of loved ones. One has a divine natural duty to preserve and protect right to life.

28 posted on 08/18/2018 11:30:45 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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A lot of people don’t seem to understand what a lie is. A lie requires intent to tell a falsehood. One can also tell a falsehood because one is mistaken or in delusion.

One way to raise the sleeping giant in a person is to accuse them of telling a lie when they are merely mistaken and think they are telling the truth.


29 posted on 08/18/2018 11:33:36 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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Jacob deceived and lied to gain his birthright.
Shrewd Jew that Jacob.
We as Christians need to be shrewed.
No, it’s not a license to lie.
30 posted on 08/18/2018 11:35:10 AM PDT by right way right (May we remain sober over mere men, for God really is our only true hope.)
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Is the questioner entitled to an answer or the truth?

If not, is it still a lie?


32 posted on 08/18/2018 11:42:09 AM PDT by ADSUM
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“If you ask me no questions, I will tell you no lies.”

Beer for the first person who gets the reference.

5.56mm


35 posted on 08/18/2018 12:05:07 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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