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Ban on Communion for Divorced and Remarried is ‘Absurd and Inhuman’: Cardinal
LifeSite News ^ | 10/20/17 | Jeanne Smits

Posted on 10/24/2017 6:27:51 PM PDT by marshmallow

October 20, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) — French Cardinal Philippe Barbarin commended Catholics in new unions who bear witness to true matrimony by refraining from partaking in the Eucharist but clearly opened a door to those who feel they should receive communion while remaining in a second “marriage.”

Cardinal Barbarin, archbishop of Lyon in France and Primate of the Gauls, held a special service last Sunday at his cathedral for Catholics from broken marriages. The event was designed to share reflections on the controversial chapter 8 of Amoris Laetitia and how it is interpreted in the diocese – one of the most ancient dioceses in France that was created in the second century and glorifies saints such as the martyrs Irenaeus and Blandine.

“In the Church, Everyone is Needed” was the title of Cardinal Barbarin’s talk. He said, “Everyone can see whether it is possible or not to change his or her situation; everyone realizes what is best today, for oneself or for those with whom one is now bound by a relationship of love and mutual service.”

Clearly, a new union despite an existing marriage, in the eyes of the French Cardinal, can be defined as a “relationship of love and mutual service.”

Six divorced and “remarried” couples joined in the presentation, including Florence and George, who are active in the local Catholic community and participate in their parish reception service. They now regularly come to Mass together with their family.

From the top of the altar steps, they explained how they would feel “isolated in the pews” at communion time. “The more we found our place, the less we felt a right to it,” they said. At that point, a priest offered to “accompany” them, encouraging them to follow a course for people in this situation linked to the.....

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1 posted on 10/24/2017 6:27:51 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
Clearly, a new union despite an existing marriage, in the eyes of the French Cardinal, can be defined as a “relationship of love and mutual service.”

Have you ever heard of the Petrine and Pauline privileges ?
2 posted on 10/24/2017 6:34:30 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: marshmallow

Silliness. Get the annulment. Otherwise you’re married for life. Deal with it. That’s the sanctity of the family.


3 posted on 10/24/2017 6:37:26 PM PDT by stanne
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To: marshmallow

Church doctrine — “it’s Whatever, dude.”


4 posted on 10/24/2017 6:38:56 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Benedict McCain is the worst traitor ever to wear the uniform of the US military.)
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To: marshmallow
French Cardinal Philippe Barbarin commended Catholics in new unions who bear witness to true matrimony by refraining from partaking in the Eucharist but clearly opened a door to those who feel they should receive communion while remaining in a second “marriage.”

The cardinal fails to state that those "Catholics in new unions" continue to commit mortal sins every time they fornicate.

5 posted on 10/24/2017 6:45:25 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: af_vet_1981
Have you ever heard of the Petrine and Pauline privileges ?

That’s not what Cdl Barbarin is positing here. Marriages between baptised and non-baptised persons fall under the aegis of the Petrine/Pauline privilege. Barbarin is concerned only with allowing “re-marriage” sans a declaration of nullity by competent authority. It’s a rather odd stand to take, given the frivolity with which tribunals have granted them in the past 50-plus years …

6 posted on 10/24/2017 6:46:55 PM PDT by CMRosary (Christus vincit! Christus regnat! Christus imperat!)
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To: ebb tide
The cardinal fails to state that those "Catholics in new unions" continue to commit mortal sins every time they fornicate.

+1

7 posted on 10/24/2017 6:47:52 PM PDT by CMRosary (Christus vincit! Christus regnat! Christus imperat!)
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To: marshmallow

Ann Barnhardt:

Cutting the Crap: If You Are “Divorced”, You Are Done Romancin’.

https://www.barnhardt.biz/2017/10/22/cutting-the-crap-if-you-are-divorced-you-are-done-romancin/


8 posted on 10/24/2017 6:55:30 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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9 posted on 10/24/2017 7:05:44 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: CMRosary
That’s not what Cdl Barbarin is positing here. Marriages between baptised and non-baptised persons fall under the aegis of the Petrine/Pauline privilege. Barbarin is concerned only with allowing “re-marriage” sans a declaration of nullity by competent authority. It’s a rather odd stand to take, given the frivolity with which tribunals have granted them in the past 50-plus years …

Do you agree with valid marriages being dissolved via these two privileges ?

    I keep coming back to these issues
  1. The Samaritan woman; the Messiah told her call her husband and come to Him. He knew that the man was not in a valid marriage with her, and that she had been married five times. We do not know how those marriages ended and how difficult her case was. Yet He called her and "her husband" to appear before Him. The rest of the story is shrouded in mystery.
  2. The Orthodox churches have a different Canon law for remarriage, and that was law well before the Schism.
  3. It was a shame that homosexuality was addressed in the discussions. It should have nothing to do with the issue of divorce and remarriage.

10 posted on 10/24/2017 7:08:21 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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>>>The cardinal fails to state that those “Catholics in new unions” continue to commit mortal sins every time they fornicate.<<<

Jesus revealed he was the Christ to the woman at the well. She was a woman with many former husbands and was currently living with a man. While divorce/adultery are sins, there is not record of Jesus condemning her. Why not do it the protestant way and allow for remarriage if your spouse abandons you or commits adultery?


11 posted on 10/24/2017 7:09:51 PM PDT by BJ1
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To: marshmallow

This pontifical sponsored/inspired secularization of the Catholic Church is worse than either the changes of Vatican II and/or Martin Luther’s call for the Church to reform itself in his 95 Theses.


12 posted on 10/24/2017 7:19:30 PM PDT by GreyFriar ((Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87))
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To: BJ1
While divorce/adultery are sins, there is not record of Jesus condemning her.

Did you forget that Christ concluded His dialogue with the woman with, "Go, and now sin no more".

???

13 posted on 10/24/2017 7:20:45 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: marshmallow

how about a ban on public supporters of abortion receiving communion.


14 posted on 10/24/2017 7:20:52 PM PDT by morphing libertarian (A proud member of the Ruthie Bader Afternoon Nap Club)
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To: af_vet_1981
The Orthodox churches have a different Canon law for remarriage, and that was law well before the Schism.

It was, and is, a bad law.

15 posted on 10/24/2017 7:29:01 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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>>>Did you forget that Christ concluded His dialogue with the woman with, “Go, and now sin no more”. <<<

I’m talking about the woman at the well. Aren’t you talking about the woman caught committing adultery?


16 posted on 10/24/2017 7:32:41 PM PDT by BJ1
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To: af_vet_1981
Do you agree with valid marriages being dissolved via these two privileges ?

If done for the salvation of souls, then yes. One thing too often not considered is the question of how the children would be raised. Marriages between baptised and non-baptised persons can and often do cause strain as a result of this—and the same situation occurs between two people of different faiths (the Church traditionally referred to these as “mixed marriages,” and strongly discouraged them. Indeed, in ages past, they were forbidden.).

The Samaritan woman; the Messiah told her call her husband and come to Him. He knew that the man was not in a valid marriage with her, and that she had been married five times. We do not know how those marriages ended and how difficult her case was. Yet He called her and "her husband" to appear before Him. The rest of the story is shrouded in mystery.

Our Lord said that even her current husband was “not her husband.” Apparently He knew of some impediment upon which John chose not to elaborate, because that was not the point.

17 posted on 10/24/2017 7:37:50 PM PDT by CMRosary (Christus vincit! Christus regnat! Christus imperat!)
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To: marshmallow

He probably believes in homosexual “marriage” too.


18 posted on 10/24/2017 7:48:27 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (You can't have totalitarian globalist government if the peasants are armed, can you George?)
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Ban on Communion for Divorced and Remarried is ‘Absurd and Inhuman’: Cardinal

No, but this cardinal is absurd and heretical.

19 posted on 10/24/2017 7:59:27 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: marshmallow

If God’s law is too tough for the masses, change it. At least it will fill the pews.


20 posted on 10/24/2017 8:51:49 PM PDT by Spok
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