Posted on 01/02/2017 4:25:11 AM PST by BlessedBeGod
...If the Church were to change its rules on shared Eucharistic Communion it would “go against Revelation and the Magisterium”, leading Christians to “commit blasphemy and sacrilege,” an Italian theologian has warned.
Drawing on the Church’s teaching based on Sacred Scripture and Tradition, Msgr. Nicola Bux, a former consulter to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, stressed that non-Catholic Christians must have undertaken baptism and confirmation in the Catholic Church, and repented of grave sin through sacramental confession, in order to be able to receive Jesus in the Eucharist.
Msgr. Bux was responding to the Register about concerns that elements of the current pontificate might be sympathetic of a form of “open Communion” proposed by the German Protestant theologian, Jürgen Moltmann.
The concerns have arisen primarily due to the Holy Father’s own comments on Holy Communion and Lutherans, his apparent support for some remarried divorcees to receive Holy Communion, and how others have used his frequently repeated maxim about the Eucharist: that it is “not a prize for the perfect, but a powerful medicine and nourishment for the weak.”
The debate specifically over intercommunion with Christian denominations follows recent remarks by Cardinal Walter Kasper who, in a Dec. 10 interview with Avvenire, said he hopes Pope Francis’ next declaration will open the way for intercommunion with other denominations “in special cases.”
The German theologian said shared Eucharistic communion is just a matter of time, and that the Pope’s recent participation in the Reformation commemoration in Lund has given “a new thrust” to the “ecumenical process.”
Pope Francis has often expressed his admiration for Cardinal Kasper’s theology whose thinking has significantly influenced…the priorities of this pontificate, particularly on the Eucharist.
For Moltmann, Holy Communion is “the Lord's supper, not something organized by a church or a denomination”...
(Excerpt) Read more at ncregister.com ...
Yeah... I'll stick with scripture if that's OK with you.
Guys sitting around inventing stuff that the Holy Spirit never communicated to Prophets and Apostles pretty much found cults; there have been several in last 2 millennia, some more successful and longer lived than others.
Ok, point taken. We all pray that these Catholic-Protestant-Orthodox differences, to the extent they “matter” to God, are forgiven, and we all enter His Kingdom together.
If you're Protestant then you're not eating the Body of Christ, you're just eating some empty carbs in what is simply a memorized act.
And our services are not memorized responses.
From my perspective as a practicing Roman Catholic and as a musician for a couple of Protestant churches I'd say that at any given service amongst the various denominations there is a mix of people who are simply uttering or reading responses without thinking about the words at all, and others for whom the words are thoughtful and heartfelt.
Eucharist, or empty-carb-munching; you have the freedom and choice to partake of either.
You guys generally have better music (you're welcome) though, I'll give that.
Shared Communion With Protestants Would be Blasphemy and Sacrilege
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
“... Anything that I put in the way of that, any “dogma” or stipulations or rhetoric, be it Catholic...”
One thing that clearly stands in the way of Jesus the Son of God being your only path to God is remaining non-Catholic for so many of you, for He gave us the Church on Pentecost day.
Will you refuse your Lord?
(Remember, the “Catholic” faith MEANS the “universal” faith. As in, there is no other.
So Jesus gave us apostles with authority with which they ordained and consecrated successors, which are vested with authority to shepherd the Flock as Jesus, with the instruction He gave them to PRESERVE the faith, not create or change it in any fashion.
There's no "war" unless one believes that guarding the integrity of one's doctrine and dogma constitutes "war". The Catholic Church professes the dogma of transubstantiation. Protestants reject it. Given that, it seems to make much more sense for Protestants and Catholics to take Communion in a manner which reflects their respective beliefs rather than feigning a unity which doesn't exist.
The "war" here, if there is one, is against the traditional teaching of the Catholic Church by some who call themselves Catholics. There is no campaign among Protestants to receive Catholic Communion and therefore there is no rebuff for them.
Becoming Catholic and accepting the Church's teaching is and always has been the simple solution for those who wish to receive Holy Communion.
The reformed Church doesn’t care if we can’t celebrate the Lord’s Supper with any other church, IMO
According to page 339 of William Bennett’s “Trial by Fire: the story of Christianity’s first thousand years” transubstantiation became codified doctrine of the Catholic Church by the Fourth Lateran Council in 1215.
Dr. Bennett gives a short history of the debate within Catholicism over whether the wine and bread were real or symbolic. The debate began around 831 A.D. with a treatise by the Frankish abbot Pachasius Radbertus in which he presented the case for bread and wine of communion were literally Jesus’ blood and body.
I recommend to all Catholics and Protestants, Dr. Bennett’s book “Trial by Fire” as good reading of the history of the early Christian Church between the time of Jesus and 1054, where Bennett concludes it.
RG2: You stated:
“We all pray that these Catholic-Protestant-Orthodox differences, to the extent they “matter” to God, are forgiven, and we all enter His Kingdom together.”
I fully concur. We Christians need to focus on what is the center of our faith, Jesus’ gift of salvation to each and every one of us.
Yes. Cult.
Jesus first and foremost gave us the Church, vested with authority. It is the Church that gave us the scriptures, (years after the ascension of our Lord.)
To reject the Church is akin to killing the bird that lays the eggs, saying that all you need are the eggs.
For example, prior to the first Bible, what was the New Testament?
According to Wikipedia,
“Pope Damasus I assembled the first list of books of the Bible at the Council of Rome in 382 CE.”
And prior to the invention of the printing press centuries later, what were the flock to rely on? The Church and her Pope, Bishops and Priests. Outside of them there was not the Christian faith.
And in spite of the printing press and now the radio, TV and internet, the full authority on earth rests in the Church, and not in the Bible alone.
If there ever has been a time in history that Christians should realize and act on the simple truth that we have something very important in common (that would be love for Christ), this is the time.
Discussion of our differing beliefs is healthy and good among Christians, but treating each other with anything less than love goes against Christ’s demand that we love one another.
There are those today who are making great progress toward destroying Christianity, one Christian at a time.
As a Catholic, I will defend Protestant Christians, but I believe that there are Protestants who will not defend me.
Paul proves apostolic succession is incorrect. He was called by Christ to preach. Paul was not called by Peter. Christ still calls men to preach today.
So liberal Protestants and Catholics want shared communion, and then conservative Protestants are upset when conservative Catholics say that shouldn’t happen?
OK then.
Freegards
“Paul proves apostolic succession is incorrect...”
Incorrect.
Paul was vetted and received by the Church. This was a unifying event and there was still one unified Church.
In recent history, on the other hand, the case is very different where Satan has succeeded to bring about the presence of “preachers” who preach a different gospel, and are not united to the Church. (Again, that would include the modernized “Catholics”.)
Why do wheat-intollerant people get extremely ill from partaking of the Catholic communion-wafer?
John 4:
19 “Sir,” the woman said, “I can see that you are a prophet.
20 Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem.”
21 “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.
22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.
23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
Should have been ‘gluten-intolerant.’
Yes, sorry, I can see how it appears insulting, but it’s not toward the receiving non-Catholic.
From what I know (and someone please correct me if I don’t state this well), the blasphemy and sacrilege is not committed by a non-Catholic receiving the Blessed Sacrament. If that would happen with good intentions, it’s supposedly simply not what God intended, and the sacramental part is gone; I’m not sure who the blasphemer here is, but it’s not the receiver.
Again, I respectfully disagree.
He gave us his Son.
To the extent that it helps us with our relationship with Him, he gave us other tools as well. Since then, though, as with any of a plethora of things, man has since screwed it up, and put so many obstacles in the way, in the name of "religion" that it has ceased being a tool... and ceased being "of Him".
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