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To: Egon

“... Anything that I put in the way of that, any “dogma” or stipulations or rhetoric, be it Catholic...”

One thing that clearly stands in the way of Jesus the Son of God being your only path to God is remaining non-Catholic for so many of you, for He gave us the Church on Pentecost day.

Will you refuse your Lord?

(Remember, the “Catholic” faith MEANS the “universal” faith. As in, there is no other.

So Jesus gave us apostles with authority with which they ordained and consecrated successors, which are vested with authority to shepherd the Flock as Jesus, with the instruction He gave them to PRESERVE the faith, not create or change it in any fashion.


25 posted on 01/02/2017 7:39:39 AM PST by Repent and Believe (The Son of Man, when He cometh, shall He find, think you, faith on earth? Jesus Christ (Luke 18:8))
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To: Repent and Believe

Paul proves apostolic succession is incorrect. He was called by Christ to preach. Paul was not called by Peter. Christ still calls men to preach today.


33 posted on 01/02/2017 8:01:41 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: Repent and Believe

John 4:

19 “Sir,” the woman said, “I can see that you are a prophet. 

20 Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem.” 

21 “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 

22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 

23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.

24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”


37 posted on 01/02/2017 8:19:53 AM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Repent and Believe
One thing that clearly stands in the way of Jesus the Son of God being your only path to God is remaining non-Catholic for so many of you, for He gave us the Church on Pentecost day.

Again, I respectfully disagree.

He gave us his Son.

To the extent that it helps us with our relationship with Him, he gave us other tools as well. Since then, though, as with any of a plethora of things, man has since screwed it up, and put so many obstacles in the way, in the name of "religion" that it has ceased being a tool... and ceased being "of Him".

40 posted on 01/02/2017 8:29:44 AM PST by Egon
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To: Repent and Believe
(Remember, the “Catholic” faith MEANS the “universal” faith. As in, there is no other.

Naw, they duped you...The word catholic has nothing to with Christianity or religion...

Example of catholic in a sentence

She is a novelist who is catholic in her interests.

: comprehensive, universal; especially : broad in sympathies, tastes, or interests

Catholic with a capital 'C' is something entirely different...It is the name of a specific religion which is not the 'universal' religion of the scriptures...

77 posted on 01/02/2017 4:40:43 PM PST by Iscool
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To: Repent and Believe
Remember, the “Catholic” faith MEANS the “universal” faith.

And CHRISTIAN means *follower of Christ*.

I'm not into universalism.

And following a faith doesn't save you. Jesus does. THEN you follow HIM.

173 posted on 01/09/2017 9:24:22 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Repent and Believe; Egon
One thing that clearly stands in the way of Jesus the Son of God being your only path to God is remaining non-Catholic for so many of you, for He gave us the Church on Pentecost day. Will you refuse your Lord? (Remember, the “Catholic” faith MEANS the “universal” faith. As in, there is no other. So Jesus gave us apostles with authority with which they ordained and consecrated successors, which are vested with authority to shepherd the Flock as Jesus, with the instruction He gave them to PRESERVE the faith, not create or change it in any fashion.

As your premise is false, so is your argument.

The Roman Deformation of the New Testament church and Historical Context of the Reformation

Table of Contents

• Critical and other contrasts between the New Testament church and the church of Rome

Table of partial lists of contrasts

• Historical testimony to the progressive deformation of the church. Including falsified history

Development of the distinctive Catholic priesthood Including compelled clerical celibacy

• The context of the Reformation


426 posted on 01/11/2017 11:39:08 AM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: Repent and Believe
One thing that clearly stands in the way of Jesus the Son of God being your only path to God is remaining non-Catholic for so many of you, for He gave us the Church on Pentecost day.

You are so wrong about what, or rather WHO, saves.

It's not Catholicism.

It's not *the faith*.

It's Jesus HIMSELF, on an individual level as one comes to Him believing and trusting Him to save them.

One does NOT need to become Catholic to be saved any more than one needs to become any religion to be saved.

RELIGION does not save. It never has and never will.

Salvation by grace by believing

Becoming Catholic neither adds to our getting saved nor staying saved. That is fully God's work in us.

John 1:10-13 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him. He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him. But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

John 3:3-8 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?” Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

John 3:14-18 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

John 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

John 11:25-26 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

Acts 16:27-31 When the jailer woke and saw that the prison doors were open, he drew his sword and was about to kill himself, supposing that the prisoners had escaped. But Paul cried with a loud voice, “Do not harm yourself, for we are all here.” And the jailer called for lights and rushed in, and trembling with fear he fell down before Paul and Silas. Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”

2 Corinthians 6:2 For he says, “In a favorable time I listened to you, and in a day of salvation I have helped you.” Behold, now is the favorable time; behold, now is the day of salvation.

Romans 3:20-30 For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it—the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, since God is one—who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.

Romans 5:1-2 Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Romans 5:9 Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.

Romans 10:9-13 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

490 posted on 01/12/2017 4:29:11 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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