Posted on 01/02/2017 4:25:11 AM PST by BlessedBeGod
...If the Church were to change its rules on shared Eucharistic Communion it would “go against Revelation and the Magisterium”, leading Christians to “commit blasphemy and sacrilege,” an Italian theologian has warned.
Drawing on the Church’s teaching based on Sacred Scripture and Tradition, Msgr. Nicola Bux, a former consulter to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, stressed that non-Catholic Christians must have undertaken baptism and confirmation in the Catholic Church, and repented of grave sin through sacramental confession, in order to be able to receive Jesus in the Eucharist.
Msgr. Bux was responding to the Register about concerns that elements of the current pontificate might be sympathetic of a form of “open Communion” proposed by the German Protestant theologian, Jürgen Moltmann.
The concerns have arisen primarily due to the Holy Father’s own comments on Holy Communion and Lutherans, his apparent support for some remarried divorcees to receive Holy Communion, and how others have used his frequently repeated maxim about the Eucharist: that it is “not a prize for the perfect, but a powerful medicine and nourishment for the weak.”
The debate specifically over intercommunion with Christian denominations follows recent remarks by Cardinal Walter Kasper who, in a Dec. 10 interview with Avvenire, said he hopes Pope Francis’ next declaration will open the way for intercommunion with other denominations “in special cases.”
The German theologian said shared Eucharistic communion is just a matter of time, and that the Pope’s recent participation in the Reformation commemoration in Lund has given “a new thrust” to the “ecumenical process.”
Pope Francis has often expressed his admiration for Cardinal Kasper’s theology whose thinking has significantly influenced…the priorities of this pontificate, particularly on the Eucharist.
For Moltmann, Holy Communion is “the Lord's supper, not something organized by a church or a denomination”...
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Jesus Christ venerated His Mother from His Cross. He also venerated Her at the wedding at Cana.
Behold Daniel1212’s golden calf (his demonization of love for Mary). Does he burn incense to it and pour out drink libations before it? Is that why he tries to pin such activities on innocent God-fearing Catholics? His repudiation of love for the mother of Christ is his golden calf. It makes him and his fellow rebels rich as it draws Catholics out of true religion. All he has to do is villanize Marian devotion (even though espoused by countless saints and faithful over 2,000 years) and lo and behold thousands of weak Catholics flock to his prison of mental bondage, increasing the wealth of the Protestant pastors, while impoverishing even further the faith of the newly-minted heretics.
This is perhaps God’s way of punishing lukewarm Christians, allowing them to be sent d1212’s delusion.
Faithful Catholics can trace their practices historically consistently over the course of 2,000 years by observance of all the saints throughout those 2,000 years.
Not d1212. He is please to (try) to skip all that history because if he didn’t he would have to research and might learn that there was never a mentionable resistance to the cult of Mary until after Mr. Luther showed them how to make a fuss and how to be as independent as the devil.
And d1212 has already demonstrated that he despises tiny cults, which practice is not found in the scriptures.
Today January 25 is the Feast of the Conversion of Saint Paul and also we are in the time of the Chair of Unity Octave, first introduced by Pope St. Pius X in 1908.
Mother Mary, if it pleases thee, do intercede for the poor Protestants that they may confess their errors, repent and believe in the Good News of the Gospel and become unified to Mother Church.
And there is every reason, like the context, for thinking that He was talking literally.
Just when did the title of *father* come into practice and who decided it and why?
There's certainly no Scriptural precedent for it.
And again there's a difference which Catholics seem bound and determined to not understand, between recognizing a position or function and addressing in a title, which is what Jesus was addressing.
And the reason Jesus gave is a very good one. We are not to call religious leaders as *Father* because we already have one in heaven.
It allows for no usurption of God's role role as father Himself.
HE is our father. Not religious leaders.
Uh....no they can't. Unless one just selectively chooses which position the ECF the catholic likes holds.
Time means nothing when it comes to truthfulness.
The Hindu can claim a long history as can other false doctrines.
The revealed truth in God's Word is the only standard we have that has been inspired by the Holy Spirit.
In either case, if the catholic wants to run with Tradition the Tradition must not contradict Scripture.
Most of the Marian worship in Roman Catholicism contradicts the written texts we have.
“...I just love the smell of brimstone in the morning.”
That’s cute.
If you knew what having faith in Jesus really means, you would realize Mary is really wonderful beyond measure. Her faith was unequalled.
That’s a beautiful prayer you posted.
Such a shame that you’ve desecrated it, by your careless analysis, though.
I will pray for you.
First off, Jesus told us to pray to GOD, the FATHER.
Luke 11:1-13 Now Jesus was praying in a certain place, and when he finished, one of his disciples said to him, “Lord, teach us to pray, as John taught his disciples.” And he said to them, “When you pray, say:
“Father, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come. Give us each day our daily bread, and forgive us our sins, for we ourselves forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation.”
And he said to them, “Which of you who has a friend will go to him at midnight and say to him, ‘Friend, lend me three loaves, for a friend of mine has arrived on a journey, and I have nothing to set before him’; and he will answer from within, ‘Do not bother me; the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed. I cannot get up and give you anything’? I tell you, though he will not get up and give him anything because he is his friend, yet because of his impudence he will rise and give him whatever he needs.
And I tell you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened. What father among you, if his son asks for a fish, will instead of a fish give him a serpent; or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”
Then we have these promises....
Hebrews 4:14-16 Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
Many translations say *come BOLDLY before the throne*. I do like the Young's literal translation.
we may come near, then, with freedom, to the throne of the grace, that we may receive kindness, and find grace -- for seasonable help.
Come with FREEDOM. I like that.
No need to beg Mary or any other so-called saint to intercede for us because we think that because they are more holy than we are, God is more likely to hear them.
He did neither.
He addressed her as *woman* and chided her for her actions at the wedding and simply told her that John was to care for her from that point on.
There's no veneration of Mary by Jesus or anyone else for that matter, in Scripture.
Elsie:”...Still trying the old out of context thing?...”
“Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven.”
What we have here is a reference to the clergy. By not seeking their authority (by not taking your sins to a priest and by not seeking judgment from the church) are you not ignoring Jesus’ words?
How is that out of context?
More fake news.
He is not *demonizing* love for Mary.
He's clearly exposing the error of worshiping and praying to her.
Trying to keep people from sinning by relegating to her rightful place among mankind, as just another believer, is NOT demonizing her.
Does he burn incense to it and pour out drink libations before it?
You mean like Catholics who light candles to and leave offerings at the feet of statues of Mary?
His repudiation of love for the mother of Christ is his golden calf. It makes him and his fellow rebels rich as it draws Catholics out of true religion.
BWAHAHAHA!!!!
Yeah, we're just making a fortune from telling people they are sinning by praying to anyone but God.
Hey, when are the checks supposed to start rolling in? I haven't seen mine yet.
Faithful Catholics can trace their practices historically consistently over the course of 2,000 years by observance of all the saints throughout those 2,000 years.
And faithful CHRISTIANS don't go beyond what is written in Scripture and elevate tradition over the inerrant, God breathed, Holy Spirit inspired Word of God.
Mother Mary, if it pleases thee, do intercede for the poor Protestants that they may confess their errors, repent and believe in the Good News of the Gospel and become unified to Mother Church.
She can't hear you or read your internet postings.
She's dead and in heaven and that's not her concern anymore.
And why would Catholics want Mary to pray for them when as a born again believer, they can have both Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit intercede to the Father for them according to God's will?
Romans 8:26-27 Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.
Romans 8:33-34 Who shall bring any charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies. Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.
Hebrews 7:25 Consequently, he (Jesus) is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.
The deceiver has hold of your heart ... no one is rejecting love for The Mother of Jesus. we are, several of us, firmly rejecting your worship of Mary, as if she were the mother of God and nearing equal status as a goddess. You are in deep error and the twister is framing your reasoning. YOU have said you can worship God by worshipping the Mother of Jesus as ‘the mother of God’. That is blasphemy and opens your soul to be manipulated by the evil one who is a father of lies.
You are in the thrall of Magic Thinking. You are in grave error. Your immortal soul is at stake.
So it's hypothetical when Catholics want it to be like when they want to call their priests *father*, but NOT hypothetical when they don't want it to be like with communion and the eucharist and the priests alleged ability to forgive or retain sin?
Sorry, but when it looks like the decision to interpret literally and hypothetically is used to support doctrine or practices instead of define them, then the person or organization is on the wrong path.
The Catholic church is big on literal interpretation when it suits them but not so much on EVERYTHING else.
Amen.
He obeyed His Mother at Cana and He addressed Her as Mother from His Cross.
Jesus never taught to retain sins.
Matthew 18:21-22 Then Peter came up and said to him, “Lord, how often will my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?” Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you seven times, but seventy-seven times.
Your conflation of the Ekklesia (Jesus is still building/adding to as the whole body of believers in Him as Savior) and ‘this mother church’ (of a priesthood and popery and idols galore, worshipping the Mother of Jesus as if she is a goddess mother of God), well your conflation has captured your soul in demonically inspired error, which is on the broad road rushing to the wide gate leading to oblivion, YOUR oblivion.
Matthew 23: 8-10 But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers.And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Ch
In YOUR Magic Thinking, GOD obeyed Mary. THAT is evidence of your mind so twisted in Mary worship that you imagine GOD obeying a mortal woman. Show us where scripture shows Mary commanded Jesus and He obeyed! You cannot, but your Magic Thinking twisted mind sees that in the passage on the wedding at Cana. Your satan-manipulated imagination has written in what is clearly NOT THERE!
I don’t recall saying Scripture is the only source of sure facts. If you could point out the exact post where I said that, I’d appreciate it. Because I believe all truth is God’s truth, whether in Scripture or otherwise. Like Psalm 19 says, the heavens declare the glory of God, and that message gets to everyone, whether they have a Bible or not. So you have me saying something I wouldn’t ordinarily say, and I’d like you to cite the specific quote, so I have a fair chance at clarifying what was meant.
As for Bishop Filburt and his idolatrous Marian prayer, I stand by my assertion he and not Augustine is the author:
http://ege.denison.edu/case_leaf_31.php
This is not some big secret. This is a case of Catholic apologists not using current valid scholarship because it doesn’t advance their narrative. Now true, it may be that someday someone proves someone else wrote the prayer, and we will be compelled to consider the new evidence. Until then, the Filburt claim is superior to the Augustine claim, based on ordinary standards of historical proof.
However, if you have evidence that a 4th century theologian used distinctly post-4th century language, and the presence of the prayer in a document easily attributed to Filburt is just bad luck and means nothing, then by all means, bring forth your case. I will listen. For though I know truth may be found outside Scripture, all truth of any kind must not go against Scripture, and that thousand year old hymn to Mary will still end up idolatrous no matter who wrote it. God’s truth doesn’t change.
Peace,
SR
I respected my mother too. So?
Peace,
SR
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