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Theologian: Shared Communion With Protestants Would be Blasphemy and Sacrilege
National Catholic Register ^ | January 2, 2017 | Edward Pentin

Posted on 01/02/2017 4:25:11 AM PST by BlessedBeGod

...If the Church were to change its rules on shared Eucharistic Communion it would “go against Revelation and the Magisterium”, leading Christians to “commit blasphemy and sacrilege,” an Italian theologian has warned.

Drawing on the Church’s teaching based on Sacred Scripture and Tradition, Msgr. Nicola Bux, a former consulter to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, stressed that non-Catholic Christians must have undertaken baptism and confirmation in the Catholic Church, and repented of grave sin through sacramental confession, in order to be able to receive Jesus in the Eucharist.

Msgr. Bux was responding to the Register about concerns that elements of the current pontificate might be sympathetic of a form of “open Communion” proposed by the German Protestant theologian, Jürgen Moltmann.

The concerns have arisen primarily due to the Holy Father’s own comments on Holy Communion and Lutherans, his apparent support for some remarried divorcees to receive Holy Communion, and how others have used his frequently repeated maxim about the Eucharist: that it is “not a prize for the perfect, but a powerful medicine and nourishment for the weak.”

The debate specifically over intercommunion with Christian denominations follows recent remarks by Cardinal Walter Kasper who, in a Dec. 10 interview with Avvenire, said he hopes Pope Francis’ next declaration will open the way for intercommunion with other denominations “in special cases.”

The German theologian said shared Eucharistic communion is just a matter of time, and that the Pope’s recent participation in the Reformation commemoration in Lund has given “a new thrust” to the “ecumenical process.”

Pope Francis has often expressed his admiration for Cardinal Kasper’s theology whose thinking has significantly influenced…the priorities of this pontificate, particularly on the Eucharist.

For Moltmann, Holy Communion is “the Lord's supper, not something organized by a church or a denomination”...

(Excerpt) Read more at ncregister.com ...


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To: Springfield Reformer

Prayer of Saint Augustine (SR’s hero) to the Blessed Virgin

O blessed Virgin Mary, who can worthily repay thee thy just dues of praise and thanksgiving, thou who by the wondrous assent of thy will didst rescue a fallen world? What songs of praise can our weak human nature recite in thy honor, since it is by thy intervention alone that it has found the way to restoration. Accept, then, such poor thanks as we have here to offer, though they be unequal to thy merits; and receiving our vows, obtain by thy prayers the remission of our offenses. Carry thou our prayers within the sanctuary of the heavenly audience, and bring forth from it the antidote of our reconciliation. May the sins we bring before Almighty God through thee, become pardonable through thee; may what we ask for with sure confidence, through thee be granted. Take our offering, grant us our requests, obtain pardon for what we fear, for thou art the sole hope of sinners. Through thee we hope for the remission of our sins, and in thee, O blessed Lady, is our hope of reward. Holy Mary, succour the miserable, help the fainthearted, comfort the sorrowful, pray for thy people, plead for the clergy, intercede for all women consecrated to God; may all who keep thy holy commemoration feel now thy help and protection. Be thou ever ready to assist us when we pray, and bring back to us the answers to our prayers. Make it thy continual care to pray for the people of God, thou who, blessed by God, didst merit to bear the Redeemer of the world, who liveth and reigneth, world without end. Amen.

You ought to pray this daily, SR.


1,381 posted on 01/25/2017 3:42:21 AM PST by Repent and Believe (The Son of Man, when He cometh, shall He find, think you, faith on earth? Jesus Christ (Luke 18:8))
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To: Repent and Believe
Those who spurn Jesus’ priests do not follow Jesus, for they spurn the church:

Spurning religion disguised as church is NOT spurning Jesus.

The NT model of church is NOTHING like what we see today, Catholic or Protestant.

Our only command is to not forsake assembling ourselves together. NOT to have to submit to form and ritual, and regulation and "sacraments" (which are not even found in Scripture).

Christ dwells in our hearts, not a building. He's with us always, we do not have to go somewhere to meet Him or worship Him or pray to Him.

Acts 17:24-25 The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in temples made by man, nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all mankind life and breath and everything.

Ephesians 3:14-19 For this reason I bow my knees before the Father, from whom every family in heaven and on earth is named, that according to the riches of his glory he may grant you to be strengthened with power through his Spirit in your inner being, so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith-that you, being rooted and grounded in love, may have strength to comprehend with all the saints what is the breadth and length and height and depth, and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.

Since I am filled with all the fullness of God, I don't NEED to go to a church for any reason.

1,382 posted on 01/25/2017 4:17:58 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Repent and Believe

No, it’s not a *fact*.

It’s your opinion.


1,383 posted on 01/25/2017 4:19:02 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Repent and Believe; Springfield Reformer
Being a respecter of persons is a sin. We are not to elevate each other like that.

Only GOD is worthy of our praise and that kind of devotion.

James 2:8-11 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it. For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

Luke 4:8 And Jesus answered him, It is written,“‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and him only shall you serve.’”

1,384 posted on 01/25/2017 4:24:46 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Repent and Believe
AGREED Y’ALL?

Yup; though I do magree with him in one part:

...the Blessed Virgin is a mere rational creature...

1,385 posted on 01/25/2017 4:28:58 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom

...which he has blessed us...


1,386 posted on 01/25/2017 4:30:28 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: knarf
NEVER before this morning have I EVER heard these words before.REALLY?

I guess in 18 years you've NOT paid much attention to the Catholic reasonings!!

1,387 posted on 01/25/2017 4:32:24 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Repent and Believe
Saint Thomas Aquinas knew better than the various Authors of the Book that Rome assembled?

Who knew!!

1,388 posted on 01/25/2017 4:35:09 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Repent and Believe

Trim a little more off


1,389 posted on 01/25/2017 4:36:12 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; Mark17

You HAVE some ?


1,390 posted on 01/25/2017 4:36:33 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true, I have no proof, but they're true.)
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To: imardmd1; ebb tide; Repent and Believe

All that and not ONE instance can any of our FR Catholics show from the book that Rome assembled, ANY instance of Mary being venerated, duliaed, hyper-duliaed or latriaed in ANY manner.

They are arguing over something that does not exist!


1,391 posted on 01/25/2017 4:40:28 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: knarf
<"I>That last jot was a period ... the end .... done deal.

And then the Lord said, "Be good; or else I'll snatch salvation away from you.

1,392 posted on 01/25/2017 4:42:11 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Repent and Believe
And here is how I legally can ...

I see; relying upon the words of OTHERS to try to rationalize YOUR actions.

Got it.

1,393 posted on 01/25/2017 4:44:02 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN
I fear you lack the intellect to understand ‘no’.

But are greatly blessed by enough petulance to resist Jesus' words:

Call no man father


1,394 posted on 01/25/2017 4:45:46 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mark17

Well, it LOOKED pretty! (Did they study church architecture at BYU?)

http://iglesianicristo.net/#1

And it sounded good, until I got down to the first two CORE VALUES..


1,395 posted on 01/25/2017 4:52:16 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mark17

God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit

The Iglesia ni Cristo believes that God the Father is the creator deity and the only true God. INC rejects the traditional Christian belief in the Trinity as heresy,[1][20] adopting a version of unitarianism. They believe that this position is attested by Jesus Christ and the Apostles.[4][36][37]

Christ and the Apostles are united in teaching how many and who is the real God. Similar to other true Christians, according to Apostle Paul, there is only one God, the Father—not the Son and more so not the Holy Spirit. The Apostles also did not teach that there is one God who has three personas who are also Gods. ... It [Trinity] is not found in the Holy Scriptures or the Bible, and if [Catholic] priests ever use the Bible to prove this teaching of theirs, all are based only on suppositions and presumptions.
—trans. from Pasugo (November 1968)[37]

The church believes that Jesus Christ is the Son of God[36] and the mediator between God the Father and humanity,[20] and was created by God the Father. God sanctified him to be without sin, and bestowed upon him the titles "Lord" and "Son of God". The church sees Jesus as God's highest creation, and denies the deity of Jesus.[19] Adherents profess Jesus' substitutionary role in the redemption of humankind. He is believed to have been "foreordained before the foundation of the world" and sent by God "to deal with sin". Members "are saved by Christ's blood" who died because of his "self-sacrificing love".[1][38]

INC believes that the Holy Spirit is the power of God and also not a deity, being sent by God the Father and Jesus Christ to guide God's people.[39]

 

 

from WIKI

1,396 posted on 01/25/2017 4:55:32 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

All that we have is ours now.

Lots of past tense verbs there, denoting completed actions.


1,397 posted on 01/25/2017 4:56:35 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Elsie; All
This is for everyone's benefit not just yours:

Call no man "father"?

cf 1 John 2:13

1,398 posted on 01/25/2017 4:57:43 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Repent and Believe

Fake news. That’s not a prayer of Augustine:

http://www.preces-latinae.org/thesaurus/BVM/OBeataVM.html

So you see the spiritual danger of trusting men over Scripture? You are advising people here under false pretenses (unintended by you, I am sure - I do not question your sincerity) to issue an idolatrous prayer of an 11th Century bishop. Remember what James says, those who teach have a greater judgment coming. If you put facts out there to support specific beliefs and practices, and especially if you do so in the name of Jesus Christ, you have a high responsibility to avoid using false facts, because your false facts may lead to the severe spiritual harm of unsuspecting souls, and you will be held all the more accountable for your role in propagating error.

And yes, James’ admonition applies to all of us equally. It is a good reason to be careful to a fault when posting on the FR Religion Forum. There are consequences to these little debates that will last for all eternity. We are all obligated to make sure, to the best of our ability, those consequences are all good.

Peace,

SR


1,399 posted on 01/25/2017 4:59:23 AM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: metmom
John 14:5-7
 
Thomas said to him, “Lord, we don’t know where you are going, so how can we know the way?”
Jesus answered, I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”
 
 
More from the Lost Verses of the Catacombs...
 
Then Jesus added, "The church I am going to establish in Peter will lead you to me.  Even my Mom may help you to find me!
Do EVERYTHING it tells you to do and I assure that (well, not ASSURE) you will be saved; someday; maybe."

1,400 posted on 01/25/2017 5:02:18 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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