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Holy and Profane
FreeRepublic ^ | 12/21/2016 | Self

Posted on 12/21/2016 8:03:51 AM PST by DouglasKC

Holy and Profane

In just eight days much of the world will celebrate and observe Christmas. In America alone 92% of the population will observe Christmas. This includes professing Christians as well as non-Christians. In fact 81% of people who are anything but Christian will also celebrate Christmas. This includes Muslims, atheists, Wiccans and various pagan earth cults.

I am part of the 8% who doesn't observe Christmas at all. Now the primary reason why I don't observe it is that I KNOW and BELIEVE that the Lord God has given us HIS days to observe and that these days have purpose and meaning. They ARE holy days. Days that are set apart for God's purpose. These days are listed in God's holy word in Leviticus chapter 23.

It's clear that Christmas falls OUTSIDE of God's commands AS DEFINED IN THE BIBLE, Christmas falls outside of God's world. It's NOT part of God's holy world IF we follow scripture.

There is the world of God. And there is the world system. There is holy....things of God. And there is worldly...things of the world.

Let's look at that point by turning to Leviticus chapter 10. In Leviticus chapter 10 the Lord is giving instructions to Aaron about how they, as a priesthood, are to treat God. In verse 3 the Lord says that anyone who comes near to God must regard God as holy. In verse 9 he tells the priests that they are not to drink any kind of alcohol when coming before the Lord...they need to have clear heads....this is serious business. And in verse 10 he tells them why.

Lev 10:10 that you may distinguish between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean, 

God wants his people when they come near to him, to be able to tell the difference between holy.....Godly things...and unholy...things that are not Godly.

There's a better English word for “Unholy”......and the New American Standard bible uses that word and I'll read that same word from that translation.

(NASB) and so as to make a distinction between the holy and the profane, and between the unclean and the clean,

That word in English is “profane”. There is holy...God's world....and profane....worldly...things not holy.

Now in the greek versions of the old testament the word that is translated here as “unholy” or “profane” is the word “bebelos”. It's Strongs number G952 and it means to step over a threshold into a place where anyone is permitted. It springs from the notion that the temple, or the tabernacle, was a holy place....a place of God...and that outside of the temple, was a common place...a profane place...a worldly place.

In fact the English word “profane” comes from the latin word “Profanus” which literally means “outside of the temple.”

Now obviously we don't worship in temples as Christians. But the concept of God and his temple are still with us and is still applicable. Corinthians chapter 3 confirms that;

1Co 3:16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 1Co 3:17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are. 1Co 3:18 Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you seems to be wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise.

We are the temple of God. Individually and as a church. And God still has rules for holiness. There are holy things of God as defined by God in scripture. And we should hold on to and adhere to his instructions. But there are also things outside of the temple...behaviors, objects, attitudes and emotions that are not holy. That do NOT belong in the temple of God. That are OUTSIDE of the TEMPLE. And when we engage in those things we GO over the threshold of the temple. We go outside the temple. We PROFANE the temple of God.

So what does all this have to do with Christmas? Let's look at that by turning to 1 Timothy chapter 4.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,

This is MUCH more latter then when Paul wrote it. These ARE the latter times and Paul tells us that there are some who are going to turn from the faith and be deceived and follow false doctrine. In verses 2 to 5 Paul lists some examples. In verse he says this:

1Ti 4:6 If you instruct the brethren in these things, you will be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished in the words of faith and of the good doctrine which you have carefully followed. 1Ti 4:7 But reject profane and old wives' fables, and exercise yourself toward godliness.

Look at verse 7. It says to reject “profane and old wives fables”. Let's analyze that. Profane as we've seen are things things outside the temple of God. The “old wives fables” denote stories or customs passed on from elders. Or the traditions passed on to younger by older. In that verse the world fables is the greek word “mythos” from which we derive the English word “myths”.

So we are to reject things traditional myths that fall outside of the temple of God. Doesn't this describe Christmas?

What the myths of Christmas? Santa Claus. Flying reindeer. Elves. Jesus born on December 25th. All myths. All fables. Christmas itself, the holiday, is NOT in the word of God. Anywhere. It is NOT a holy day of the Lord God. It is outside of the temple. Thus it is profane.

We need to look at one more scripture. Let's turn to Ezekiel chapter 22. In Ezekiel 22 Ezekiel is prophesying against a fallen Israel. An Israel, that much like America today, has rejected God and turned to idols. An Israel that has abandoned all morality. In verse 26 Ezekiel turns to religion...to the conduct of the priests who claim to be priests of God.

Eze 22:26 Her priests have violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy (bebelos, PROFANE), nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them.

When we profane God we are putting God OUT of his temple. WE are NOT keeping him holy. Brethen, as Christians....and when we BECOME Christians....we have a duty and an obligation to God, to the Lord, to preserve HIS holiness. To recognize that there still are Godly standards of holy and profane. Our role as priests of God is to recognize God's holiness when we come before him and to discern that there are things that are NOT part of God's world, things that are NOT part of the temple of God. Brethren let us keep God and his temple holy.


TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: christmas; provocateur; sanctimonious
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To: Celtic Conservative
Obviously we disagree on this. Have a nice day. I’d wish you Merry Christmas, but it would just piss you off.

Have a nice day as well. Merry Christmas doesn't piss me off at all. If it did I'd always be pissed off at this time of year. Take care.

21 posted on 12/21/2016 8:35:08 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
I'd get into a discussion with you but since you are so righteous, sanctimonious, omniscient, and have a direct line to God, I'll just say...

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!

22 posted on 12/21/2016 8:36:17 AM PST by USS Alaska (Kill all muslim, terrorist savages, with extreme prejudice!!!)
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To: USS Alaska
I'd get into a discussion with you but since you are so righteous, sanctimonious, omniscient, and have a direct line to God, I'll just say... MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!

Thanks for the sentiment but not the snark! :-)

23 posted on 12/21/2016 8:37:33 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: tjd1454

Please have your employer forward your Christmas bonus directly to me. That way you won’t be stained by the devil’s filthy lucre.


24 posted on 12/21/2016 8:37:54 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: All
Christmas just seems to bring out the best in us (as seen in this discussion). But I';m leaning more towards Festivus. Yes, it's another man made holiday as well but I like it's simplicity. And by donating to The Human Fund we can appease our philandering philanthropist side of us as well.
25 posted on 12/21/2016 8:46:09 AM PST by BipolarBob
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To: BipolarBob
Festivus? Yes. But first. The Airing of Grievances!


26 posted on 12/21/2016 8:50:56 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd

Exactly! That captures the spirit of it nicely.


27 posted on 12/21/2016 9:21:30 AM PST by BipolarBob
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To: DouglasKC
I am part of the 8% who doesn't observe Christmas at all. Now the primary reason why I don't observe it is that I KNOW and BELIEVE that the Lord God has given us HIS days to observe and that these days have purpose and meaning. They ARE holy days. Days that are set apart for God's purpose. These days are listed in God's holy word in Leviticus chapter 23.

I missed the part where God said DON'T celebrate Him on any other days.

What the myths of Christmas? Santa Claus. Flying reindeer. Elves.

Rejecting these myths in no way implies rejecting a celebration of the birth of Christ.

Jesus born on December 25th.

I don't know anyone who doesn't know that the actual date is unknown.

28 posted on 12/21/2016 10:12:30 AM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: DouglasKC

I see you are using a computer—and electricity.

Absolutely NOWHERE in GOD’S HOLY WORD does it say we may use computers or electricity! Why do you disregard GOD’S HOLY WORD?!?!


29 posted on 12/21/2016 10:42:51 AM PST by Arthur McGowan (https://youtu.be/IYUYya6bPGw)
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To: NobleFree
I missed the part where God said DON'T celebrate Him on any other days.

Would this qualify?
…8"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9"Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work

30 posted on 12/21/2016 10:43:06 AM PST by BipolarBob
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To: Arthur McGowan
Absolutely NOWHERE in GOD’S HOLY WORD does it say we may use computers or electricity! Why do you disregard GOD’S HOLY WORD?!?!

Can you say false dilemma? Sure you can.

31 posted on 12/21/2016 10:46:45 AM PST by BipolarBob
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To: BipolarBob
Six days you shall labor and do all your work

I've labored every Christmas that I can remember = though never for a paycheck.

Certainly the Lord is against leaving needed work undone ... but do you really think He proscribed getting your week's work done in five days?

32 posted on 12/21/2016 10:48:10 AM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: NobleFree
but do you really think He proscribed getting your week's work done in five days?

I think the verse prescribes six days.

33 posted on 12/21/2016 10:51:20 AM PST by BipolarBob
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To: BipolarBob

proscribe
[proh-skrahyb]

verb (used with object), proscribed, proscribing.
1.
to denounce or condemn (a thing) as dangerous or harmful; prohibit.
2.
to put outside the protection of the law; outlaw.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/proscribe


34 posted on 12/21/2016 10:55:13 AM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: DouglasKC
God sent his son among us to save us and we should not celebrate his having done so?

He did not send him to condemn the world, he sent him to save the world.

If you seek only condemnation, you will get it.

35 posted on 12/21/2016 10:59:10 AM PST by right way right (May we remain sober over mere men, for God really is our one and only true hope.)
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To: NobleFree
pre·scribe prəˈskrīb/ verb
recommend (a substance or action) as something beneficial.
"marriage is often prescribed as a universal remedy" synonyms: advise, recommend, advocate, suggest, endorse, champion, promote
"traditional values prescribe a life of domesticity" state authoritatively or as a rule that (an action or procedure) should be carried out.
"rules prescribing five acts for a play are purely arbitrary"
synonyms: stipulate, lay down, dictate, specify, determine, establish, fix
"rules prescribing your duty"
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Prescribe | Definition of Prescribe by Merriam-Webster https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prescribe transitive verb.
1 a : to lay down as a guide, direction, or rule of action : ordain b : to specify with authority.
36 posted on 12/21/2016 11:01:06 AM PST by BipolarBob
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To: right way right
God sent his son among us to save us and we should not celebrate his having done so?

Yes we should. In the way He has shown. Not some man made celebration.

37 posted on 12/21/2016 11:04:34 AM PST by BipolarBob
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To: BipolarBob
So you ARE saying that when the Lord said "Six days you shall labor and do all your work" He meant and-not-a-day-less - that is, that He did proscribe getting your week's work done in five days?
38 posted on 12/21/2016 11:07:09 AM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: BipolarBob

Christmas has brought many to Christ.
Is this not a proscribed command from Jesus himself?

Matt 28:19-20

Jesus is the narrow gate, he does not tell us to make it narrower.

This thread will just become a viper pit.
I’m out.


39 posted on 12/21/2016 11:16:22 AM PST by right way right (May we remain sober over mere men, for God really is our one and only true hope.)
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To: BipolarBob; Arthur McGowan
Absolutely NOWHERE in GOD’S HOLY WORD does it say we may use computers or electricity! Why do you disregard GOD’S HOLY WORD?!?!

Can you say false dilemma?

Not only can he say it, he can recognize it in the Scripture-doesn't-say-to-celebrate-Christmas-so-we-mustn't argument.

40 posted on 12/21/2016 11:18:26 AM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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