Posted on 11/16/2016 4:06:25 AM PST by marshmallow
The cardinal said there was a tradition of issuing a formal correction if a Pope is in error
Cardinal Raymond Burke has said it may be necessary to make a “formal act of correction” if Pope Francis doesn’t answer a letter from four cardinals asking him to clarify aspects of Amoris Laetitia.
In an interview with Edward Pentin of National Catholic Register, Cardinal Burke said that if the Pope were to teach error or heresy, “It is the duty in such cases, and historically it has happened, of cardinals and bishops to make clear that the Pope is teaching error and to ask him to correct it.”
Cardinal Burke is one of four cardinals who have written to the Pope asking for a clarification of Amoris Laetitia. They say that the document could be read as contradicting Church teaching on the moral law and on the question of Communion for the remarried. The Pope has declined to reply to the letter.
Asked what would happen if the Pope remained silent, Cardinal Burke replied: “Then we would have to address that situation. There is, in the tradition of the Church, the practice of correction of the Roman Pontiff. It is something that is clearly quite rare. But if there is no response to these questions, then I would say that it would be a question of taking a formal act of correction of a serious error.”
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I am telling you that the Catholic church is rife with politics. it has been for centuries.
And there is certainly a growing faction that is dissatisfied with Pope Che
Don’t pretend otherwise.
Martin Luther’s action must also have been just politics.
btw, all one has to do is look at all that went on with England over the centuries to understand that the Vatican moves in political circles with political intrigue and back stabbing etc.
Great point.
“The Pope IS the Vatican to the world.”
Doesn’t matter. This isn’t about the world or even the world’s point of view. It’s about the Church.
“And The Vatican has a long history of being political.”
No, the Vatican has a long history of being involved in political pursuits involving nations, wars, kings, movements. This isn’t ANY of those things.
“This is no different.”
Sure it is. I suppose someone can be so tainted by Leftist thinking - and not even realize it - that she assumes everything is about politics but not every disagreement is about politics (Luke 22:24).
“You can bet there is a lot of jockeying going on behind the scenes.”
No, not really. This is actually pretty plain. Four cardinals disagreeing with the pope. Most everyone else will stay out of it as long as they can.
The issue is actually the unclear statements he made rejecting morality and the necessity of the individual to always seek to conform himself to the moral law, in favor of situation ethics and a declaration that the morality of even an essentially evil act was contingent upon subjective factors. It is true that he did away with the Catholic concept of marriage (and indeed seems to regard cohabitation as the equivalent of marriage) but, more importantly, he attacked the whole concept of the moral law, which should be everywhere and always the same if it is to mean anything.
Of the five dubia or questions asked by the Cardinals, only one dealt with marriage and the other 4 dealt with the moral law in general.
LOL..you can espouse any doctrine you want..but it is ludicrous to think politics within the Roman Church had no bearing on what happened to Martin Luther. Lord Have Mercy...his acts fractured the Church. THAT IS POLITICS> YOU PICKED A SIDE
“And there is certainly a growing faction that is dissatisfied with Pope Che”
They’re not dissatisfied with him because of “politics”. They’re dissatisfied with him because of his poor teaching in the faith.
Stay out of it as long as they can? Why ????? To protect themselves? Why stay out of it. Pick a side. Right or wrong. You agree or you disagree. Which is it? Pick a side.
Oh yeah, politics is involved behind the scenes.
“THAT IS POLITICS> YOU PICKED A SIDE”
Picking a side does not make it politics. If you play a sport, you must choose a team. Is it then politics? If your husband beats you and you oppose him (you’ve chosen a side), it is politics then? If a teachers tells his students, “2 + 2 = 5” and his students object (they’ve chosen sides), is it really politics?
He is the MONARCH. He is KING and POPE
His subjects don’t like what he is doing and there is a struggle.
Yeah that is political
“Stay out of it as long as they can?”
Yes.
“Why ????? To protect themselves?”
To some extent, yes. They will not want to offend either side. This has been public now for a couple of days. Have you heard ANYONE in the Church say a single word about it?
“Why stay out of it. Pick a side. Right or wrong. You agree or you disagree. Which is it? Pick a side.”
Lady, you seem so desperate to see this fit your mistaken mold of “politics”. It won’t work that way precisely because this isn’t about politics.
“Oh yeah, politics is involved behind the scenes.”
Nope. This is about Church teaching - and its clarity - about a moral and sacramental issue exclusively inside the Church. It doesn’t have anything to do with a single government - not even the Vatican City administration.
Hahahahahaha. Yeah get the popcorn.
“He is the MONARCH. He is KING and POPE”
No. He is the Prime Minsiter. Christ is the King.
“His subjects don’t like what he is doing and there is a struggle.”
He doesn’t have subjects. He has parishioners and his flock.
“Yeah that is political”
Nope. Not one bit.
Let me understand you. You say that the Church’s response to Luther was politics. But were Luther’s own actions (and Calvin, and John Knox, etc., etc., etc.) also nothing but politics?
This isn’t a sports game.
The Pope is KING AND POPE.
His underlings are trying to overthrow him on certain issues.
I am not going to continue this ludicrous conversation.
There is no doubt that the Vatican is filled with politics, backstabbing and jockeying for positions. There is no doubt the amount of damage that gets done because of the politics involved behind the scenes. See the horrendous child abuse scandals..
but you just go ahead and believe no such politics are involved. Your definition of politics is far too narrow if you believe Martin Luther’s whole situation didn’t involve politics in the Roman Catholic Church.
No you can't. Not in Catholicism.
but it is ludicrous to think politics within the Roman Church had no bearing on what happened to Martin Luther.
Only if one subscribes to your idiotic definition of "politics" as the taking of any contrary position in any disputation.
I didn’t say that. I couldn’t possibly say that because I am not versed in the situation. What I can say without a doubt is that the entire situation involved Roman Catholic Politics and it is ludicrous to say it didn’t
really, so politics within the ROman Catholic Church had nothing to do with what happened in the Martin Luther situation.
UNBELIEVABLE.
But will also say the same of the actions of the Reformers? I see you keep dodging the question.
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