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The Catholic Church Built Western Civilization | Duke Pesta and Stefan Molyneux
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Posted on 09/06/2016 11:16:34 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan

What was the role of the Catholic Church in building Western Civilization? While the typical mainstream narrative depicts the church as hostile to science and philosophy, it appears that once again the truth about history has been stolen from us. Dr. Duke Pesta joins Stefan Molyneux to discuss the unspoken truth about the impact of the Catholic church on scientific inquiry, philosophy and Western Civilization overall.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics; Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: catholic; churchhistory; civilization; westerncivilization
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To: ek_hornbeck

HMMMmmm...

Which is worse; the implied racism or the subtle Prot bashing...


61 posted on 09/07/2016 11:16:11 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ek_hornbeck

Not hardly.

Catholic Italy barely keeps it’s head above water.
Protestant Europe prospered.


62 posted on 09/07/2016 11:20:07 AM PDT by Gamecock (There is always one more idiot than you counted on.)
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To: Elsie
Which is worse; the implied racism or the subtle Prot bashing

Which is worse, your political correctness or your hypersensitivity?

I wasn't "Prot Bashing," I was pointing out a logical fallacy in Gamecock's claim that Protestantism vs. Catholicism explains why Apartheid South Africa was prosperous while modern-day South Africa is a basket case. I guess it's too difficult for people to face certain facts on these kinds of issues.

63 posted on 09/07/2016 11:21:09 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: Arthur McGowan

Partially.


64 posted on 09/07/2016 11:22:00 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Gamecock

The last time I checked, Italy’s per capita GDP was still about ten times higher than that of any country run by Sub-Saharan Africans, regardless of their religion.


65 posted on 09/07/2016 11:24:19 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: ek_hornbeck; metmom

Apples and oranges.

Italy is known to be one of the “PIGS” of Europe. Three of which are Catholic and the other Orthodox.


66 posted on 09/07/2016 11:35:58 AM PDT by Gamecock (There is always one more idiot than you counted on.)
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To: Arthur McGowan

bump


67 posted on 09/07/2016 11:55:51 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("There's only one issue in the immigration debate; the well-being of the American people."--Trump)
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To: DesertRhino
And murdered Bruno.

Angelo Bruno, in South Philadelphia?

68 posted on 09/07/2016 11:57:08 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("There's only one issue in the immigration debate; the well-being of the American people."--Trump)
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To: ek_hornbeck; Gamecock
The last time I checked, Italy’s per capita GDP was still about ten times higher than that of any country run by Sub-Saharan Africans, regardless of their religion.

It's a pretty pathetically weak argument. ANYONE can look good compared to Sub-Saharan Africa.

And you have to use that as an example to prove your point?

69 posted on 09/07/2016 12:36:47 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
I believe it was you who first brought up the term 3rd world hellhole on this thread. So, naturally, some of us looked at the third world and found the usual: ignorance, misogyny, tribalism, poverty, animist religions yoked to insane corrupt dictatorships and Marxist policies. None of which has to do with Catholicism. As far as Catholic Europe: again, if they were more solid Catholics and didn't dabble in socialism and multiculturalism they'd be a lot better off today. I think Our Lady of Fatima was dropping a hint about that...
71 posted on 09/07/2016 1:35:27 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: With my own people alone I should like to drive away the Muslims)
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To: vladimir998
Venezuela

Mexico

Columbia

Not exactly bastions of conservatism or freedom.

72 posted on 09/07/2016 1:47:48 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

“Not exactly bastions of conservatism or freedom.”

Is Great Britain today a bastion of conservatism or freedom? License perhaps, but freedom? How about Norther Germany? Conservative? Free? Does Sweden strike you as conservative these days? Denmark? Finland? Norway?

I think you know less than you think, and think less than you know.

The Catholic Church was made illegal in Mexico after its elite embraced pseudo-Protestant ideals incorporated in Masonry. Coincidence?

In Venezuela, the Catholic Church is persecuted by a socialist government. There is a rather direct line of thought historically from Calvinism to socialism. And who knows where that might lead? https://juicyecumenism.com/2009/04/30/caribbean-calvinists-for-socialism/

And Columbia? I’m willing to bet Columbia is more conservative and free than Sweden if one puts aside FARC and the narco cartels.


73 posted on 09/07/2016 2:28:55 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998

Just read your tagline and it made me laugh!


74 posted on 09/07/2016 3:09:49 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: With my own people alone I should like to drive away the Muslims)
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To: vladimir998
I think we all agree most of Western Europe is post Christian.

Regarding Mexico.....prior to this the rcc was the only church allowed in Mexico. Coincidence?

You might want to check up on your claim regarding pseudo Protestant ideals being the cause of the problem in Mexico. It's a bit more involved.

Your attempt to link Calvinism to a path to socialism was weak. Did you even read the article??

75 posted on 09/07/2016 3:20:35 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Elsie
If you are speeding; you can betcher butt I'll pinch you!!

Believe it or not Els meister, that is closer to the truth than you realize. 😀

76 posted on 09/07/2016 4:14:51 PM PDT by Mark17 (Calvary's love has never faltered. All it's wonder still remains. Souls still take eternal passage.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Nothing you have written represents what I think, and I’m not going to waste time on a bigot. Except: I never said I don’t believe miracles have happened.

There is absolutely no conflict between miracles and science, precisely because science concerns itself with the normal. Science has absolutely no relevance when it comes to the parting of the Red Sea, the Resurrection, or any miracle in between.

When it comes to modern miracles, such as the miracles worked by the Mother of God at Lourdes, scientific methods of observing and documenting events are helpful.

The rest of your splenetic outburst is as baseless and dishonest as your assertion that I don’t believe miracles can happen.


77 posted on 09/07/2016 5:06:44 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: ealgeone

“Regarding Mexico.....prior to this the rcc was the only church allowed in Mexico. Coincidence?”

No, since the Liberalism which inspired the Mexican revolutionaries toward destroying the traditional wealth and culture of Mexico had to destroy the Church to do it. They instituted anti-clerical laws in 1857. With the victory of the Liberals, the Catholic Church lost its exclusive standing as the exclusive religion. Ever since then the Mexican government has encouraged and fostered dissenting and Protestant groups in order to attack the Church. Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Catholic_Apostolic_Church

So, already in the 1850s and 60s you had:

“Catholic missions were dissolved and their assets confiscated by the State; the educational system was secularized, which ended religious dominance in education; the State ceased collecting tithes for the support of the Catholic Church, and declared that monastic vows were no longer binding.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Roman_Catholicism_in_Mexico#Liberal_reform_of_1833

And the result was of such activities was exactly what some Protestants had hoped for for centuries: http://califias.blogspot.com/2014/11/the-mexican-national-catholic-church.html

Oh, and by the way, Mexico became poor. Coincidence? Not in the least. Power was concentrated into the hands of the secular elites and the common people became poor.

“You might want to check up on your claim regarding pseudo Protestant ideals being the cause of the problem in Mexico. It’s a bit more involved.”

Yes, it was. Notice how I didn’t deny that it was? That changes nothing of what I said or its veracity - it’s all still true.

“Your attempt to link Calvinism to a path to socialism was weak. Did you even read the article??”

Is this the first time you’re hearing about this? https://books.google.com/books/about/John_Calvin.html?id=x5qNNAAACAAJ


78 posted on 09/07/2016 5:54:08 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998
And the result was of such activities was exactly what some Protestants had hoped for for centuries: http://califias.blogspot.com/2014/11/the-mexican-national-catholic-church.html

A blog for a reference source? Come on, Vlad...I expect better from you. That might pass for research from other posters but not from you.

79 posted on 09/07/2016 6:13:40 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: vladimir998
Ever since then the Mexican government has encouraged and fostered dissenting and Protestant groups in order to attack the Church. Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Catholic_Apostolic_Church

You're a little loose with your facts.

From the link you provided. Only one protestant group is named.

You may note also blame is also laid at America as well.

You blaming America for this??

Other groups also conducted operations in Mexico. Anthony J. Cross wrote that before the First Vatican Council, the Protestant Episcopal Church in the United States of America "had supported dissident Catholics in Mexico" and its "reform mission" with its links to the Anglo-Continental Society, "is closely related to the growth of American influence and empire.

80 posted on 09/07/2016 6:16:38 PM PDT by ealgeone
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