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Posted on 12/09/2015 1:36:26 PM PST by NYer
Can a hymn cancel Christmas? Can the lyrics of a song, if true, make Christmas not true â that is to say, un-real? Oh, yes!
Now, it is a given that honorable people may disagree about which piece of music is more suitable to reverence the birth of Christ. (I myself prefer Handelâs Messiah to âThe Little Drummer Boy.â) And while there are any number of âsecularâ Christmas songs that ignore Christ altogether, they are just distractions. What I have in mind is a song that, if taken seriously, makes impossible what Christians celebrate at Christmas. I might even call that song a âhymnâ because I once heard it sung in a parish at Christmas Eve Mass. I am writing about it now for that reason, and also because Iâve heard so many Catholics speak so effusively about it, especially when it is sung at Christmas masses. Iâm speaking of a song made popular by former American Idol star Clay Aiken: âMary Did You Know?â
While the song has the merits of prompting its hearers to reflect on Mary beholding her Divine Son, lines from the very first stanza actually bring Christmas to a screeching halt. Here are the problematic lyrics:
âDid you know that your Baby Boy has come to make you new? This Child that you delivered will soon deliver you.â
Now, those lines make sense if Mary is another sinner just like us, who needs to be delivered from sin. You see, if Mary is a sinner who like us needs a savior, then the lyricistâs play on the word âdeliverâ (sense 1: âdeliverâ = âgive birthâ; sense 2: âdeliverâ = âliberate from sinâ) is both clever and theologically sound. But if Mary is a sinner in need of a savior, then she cannot be the worthy vessel in whom the All-Holy God takes on human nature as the Word-Made-Flesh. In other words the lyrics depend upon the dogma of the Immaculate Conception being false. If Mary needs a Savior, then she cannot be the vessel of the Incarnation. And âNo-Incarnationâ = âNo-Christmas.â How ironic that a song sung with so much gusto as a Christmas hymn logically precludes what it claims to celebrate!
Letâs take a look at the Apostolic Constitution, Ineffabilis Deus, promulgated by Pope Pius IX on December 8, 1854, which defined the dogma of the Immaculate Conception. Pius begins by summarizing this ancient doctrine: âFrom the very beginning, and before time began, the eternal Father chose and prepared for his only begotten Son a mother in whom the Son of God would become incarnate and from whom, in the blessed fullness of time, he would be born into this world.â Mary was not, and could not have been, just any woman, just any sinner, selected by God to be the mother of His Only Begotten Son.
Pius reflects on the dogma of the Immaculate Conception in a way that shows that sound theology can be eloquent, even poetic:
The Virgin Mother of God would not be conceived by Anna before grace would bear its fruits; it was proper that she be conceived as the first-born, by whom âthe first-born of every creatureâ would be conceived. They testified too that the flesh of the Virgin, although derived from Adam, did not contract the stains of Adam, and that on this account the most Blessed Virgin was the tabernacle created by God himself and formed by the Holy Spirit ⦠she is beautiful by nature and entirely free from all stain; that at her Immaculate Conception she came into the world all radiant like the dawn. For it was certainly not fitting that this vessel of election should be wounded by the common injuries, since she, differing so much from the others, had only nature in common with them, not sin. In fact, it was quite fitting that, as the Only Begotten has a Father in heaven, whom the Seraphim extol as thrice holy, so he should have a Mother on earth who would never be without the splendor of holiness.
How much more beautiful, sublime, and awe-inspiring is the Immaculate Conception as the prelude to Christmas â far more so than the well-intentioned but erroneous sentimentality of the lyrics of âMary Did You Know?â
Pius sums up the dogma of the Immaculate Conception with this definition:
We declare, pronounce and define that the doctrine which holds that the most Blessed Virgin Mary, in the first instance of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege granted by Almighty God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Savior of the human race, was preserved free from all stain of original sin, is a doctrine revealed by God and therefore to be believed firmly and constantly by all the faithful.
We are now in the second week of Advent. Prepared or not, we will soon find ourselves in the Christmas season. To find the truth of Christmas, to find the great gift of God which is the real âreason for the season,â we cannot avoid, forget or deny the dogma of the Immaculate Conception. No piece of music, not even Handelâs Messiah can express all of the wonder of Incarnation and the glory of Christmas. Silly, secular songs can distract us from Christmas. Some songs, like âMary Did You Know,â even if very affecting in a sentimental way, actually preclude Christmas. This Christmas season, letâs give our family and friends the gift of Christmas truth. âO Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!â
Ping!
I wish Catholics would make up their minds. Did Mary need a savior or didn’t she? (Hint: She called God “my savior.”)
Yes! She was saved at her conception!
“Now, those lines make sense if Mary is another sinner just like us, who needs to be delivered from sin.”
Yup. Otherwise Christ was born to someone who neither needed a savior nor could pass on the reality of being fully human. The whole POINT of incarnation was that He be “one of us”, and not some perfect being utterly unable to relate to the human condition, who would _not_ be subject to temptation nor original sin.
Mary did you know that your baby boy will some day walk on water?
Mary did you know that your baby boy will save our sons and daughters?
Did you know that your baby boy has come to make you new?
This child that you've delivered, will soon deliver you.
Mary did you know that your baby boy will give sight to a blind man?
Mary did you know that your baby boy will calm a storm with his hand?
Did you know that your baby boy has walked where angels trod?
And when you kiss your little baby, you have kissed the face of God.
Oh Mary did you know
The blind will see, the deaf will hear, the dead will live again.
The lame will leap, the dumb will speak, the praises of the lamb
Mary did you know that your baby boy is Lord of all creation?
Mary did you know that your baby boy would one day rule the nations?
Did you know that your baby boy is heaven's perfect Lamb?
This sleeping child you're holding is the great I am
>> But if Mary is a sinner in need of a savior, then she cannot be the worthy vessel in whom the All-Holy God takes on human nature as the Word-Made-Flesh.
Oh yes she could — because sovereign Almighty GOD chose Mary, of sinful flesh like you and I, to aid in implementing His perfect Plan for our salvation.
There is absolutely zero scriptural evidence that Mary is not without sin. That’s a roman catholic fantasy, nothing more. You, mortal catholic, are placing yourself in the position of dictating on behalf of the Almighty what He is able and what He is not able to do. That’s dangerous ground to occupy.
Ayup, this is a Protestant song. So don’t sing it if you don’t want it, Catholics. Simple enough?
Sorry, should read “There is absolutely zero scriptural evidence that Mary is without sin.”
Jesus was the only sinless person because he didn't inherit man's sin nature which is passed on through one's earthly father. Mary had a father which meant she had a sin nature. She obviously was found worthy by God to find his favor, but no where does the Bible say that she had to be sinless.
Romans 3:23
Acts 4:9-12, particularly verse 12
Oh, not this again.
Yes! She was saved at her conception!
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Mary was also immaculately conceived?
Cool.
I know my Bible pretty well, and I see nothing in the lyrics of this song that contradicts it in any way.
The Catholic Church has never suggested that she didn’t need a savior.
Thank you.
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Even under that model, the act that would cement it was to come in the future in the time line of the world. This is getting ultra picky.
Really, among Jesuits is Mary’s humanity in dispute or that the Baby Jesus is God incarnate? Am always genuinely and respectfully curious about Catholic doctrine. I’m in a choir that’s singing this hymn in a couple weeks and it is one of the most moving we have in the Christmas repertoire. I find it hard to understand why a priest would object to the message it conveys.
MERRY CHRISTMAS!
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