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| Msgr. Charles Pope
Posted on 09/19/2015 8:19:29 AM PDT by Salvation
Near-death experience Many stories of those who tell of the phenomenon often dont reflect what we know through Scripture
Msgr. Charles Pope
9/16/2015
Question: I read a book by an author who had a near-death experience and claims that God told him that one’s belief system was irrelevant. This seems like New Age indifferentism. Can you comment on near-death phenomena and what this author said?— Bob Tisovich, Ely, Minnesota
Answer: Near-death experiences (NDEs) seem to be a rather widely reported phenomenon with certain common features. One has an “out of body” experience with a reported capacity to see oneself as if looking down. There is usually some experience of a light to which the person is drawn, sometimes down a tunnel. There is usually some sense of peace and joy but also a sense that now is not the time, and one is “sent back.”
While it cannot be denied that NDEs are reported with enough frequency that likely they do happen, they are problematic in certain ways. First, they can reasonably be explained naturally as consciousness fades. The Church usually looks for natural explanations and seeks to rule them out before quickly asserting a supernatural cause.
A second, a more significant problem with many (not all) NDEs is that they would seem to violate or skip over certain biblical and Church teachings regarding the last things. One aspect that is missing in most of them is judgment. Scripture says, “it is appointed that human beings die once, and after this the judgment” (Heb 9:27). St. Paul also speaks of us passing through fire to have our works tested and purified after death (1 Cor 3:13-15). The teaching on judgment and purification are seemingly absent in many, if not most NDE reports.
Even more problematic are the NDE reports that speak of being able to walk around heaven, see loved ones, etc. But heaven is not attained in bypassing the judgment scene and the purification that most, if not all of us, will need. Scripture says of heaven: “Nothing unclean will enter it” (Rv 21:27). So, such reports seem dubious, if Scripture is a reliable guide — and it obviously is.
Your question refers also to a book by an NDE “survivor” who claims that in his discussions with “God,” God didn’t care what spiritual tradition one had. But this is in contradiction to Scripture, which teaches there is no other name given by which we are to be saved other than Jesus (Acts 4:12). So, New Age gnosticism does not save one, and it would seem that the real God does care.
But here, too, is another societal ill of our times: the rejection of the Word of God in favor of often trendy visionaries. Death awaits us all, and we do well to simply heed the Lord’s warning to be ready by living sober, holy and devout lives.
TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: afterlife; catholic; nde; neardeathexperience
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Near-death experience Many stories of those who tell of the phenomenon often dont reflect what we know through Scripture
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posted on
09/19/2015 8:19:29 AM PDT
by
Salvation
To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; marshmallow; ...
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posted on
09/19/2015 8:20:29 AM PDT
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: Salvation
This “NDE” stuff is bogus. Just tickling ears.
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posted on
09/19/2015 8:20:58 AM PDT
by
ifinnegan
To: Salvation
Topical post of real concern for our fellow humans who buy into the “indifferentism” that is prevalent in our culture. Thank you.
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posted on
09/19/2015 8:26:39 AM PDT
by
Montana_Sam
(Truth lives.)
To: Salvation
Near death experiences seem to be physiology rather than theology.
To: Salvation
Is this a caucus thread, or a bait thread?
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posted on
09/19/2015 8:27:52 AM PDT
by
MHGinTN
(Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
To: Salvation
Reading this in view of the Monsignor gives one pause to consider the fallen angel Lucifer (of light) and his many ways of deception.
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posted on
09/19/2015 8:29:53 AM PDT
by
EBH
To: Salvation
I’ve had an out of body experience, it was likely a NDE, which I had at the time of an auto accident.
It was more real than surreal, but there was a moment of peace, music and fauna that wasn’t there. It was not spiritual. I saw no lights or tunnels. I was 16 at the time and it took many years to understand the event.
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posted on
09/19/2015 8:30:10 AM PDT
by
umgud
To: ifinnegan
> This NDE stuff is bogus. Just tickling ears.
Not when it confirms what my religion says....: )
Homestly I don’t think its bogus. I think NDEs do occur. I’ve heard so many that are similiar that there must be something to it because they occurred at times when the patient had no pulse. Maybe they still had brain activity. Who knows? Something does occur between the time they “die” and then “come back to life”. We just don’t know enough aout the phenomenon to say yet.
To: MHGinTN
> Is this a caucus thread, or a bait thread?
Bait. Definitely bait. I bit. Hear comes the flaming...: )
To: Salvation; NYer; zot; tired&retired
When reading any account of a “near-death experience,” DISCERNMENT is always necessary.
I have had a single “out of body” experience that took place when I was fully conscious and making a presentation. In it I realized “I” was standing behind and off to the right side of my body which was delivering the address. I saw the audience and picked up on their facial reactions to what I was saying. It only happened for, perhaps a couple of seconds, but it happened. This was not a NDE, but a personal experience that has left me believing that OBE is real, but accounts must be taken carefully. I have extended that logic to NDE
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posted on
09/19/2015 8:35:17 AM PDT
by
GreyFriar
(Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
To: MHGinTN
“Is this a caucus thread, or a bait thread?”
Why would it be a bait thread?
This is one issue where the fad can be agreed by both Catholics and Protestants to be a money-making con.
It’s a fad, is non-Biblical, often anti-Christian.
I know there are both Catholics and Protestants that do buy in to it.
Notwithstanding this is a Catholic writer, I think Catholics may buy in to it a bit more.
To: umgud
“...it took many years to understand the event.”
What does that mean? (not challenging you at all, just interested)
To: ifinnegan
“This NDE stuff is bogus. Just tickling ears.”
I wouldn’t be so sure. It happened to me when I was 9. I remember two things: I grabbed hold of the “silver cord” (Ecc. 12:6, its elasticity was bi-directional and consistency was spongy) and I heard the most beautiful music imaginable. The rest I have no ability to describe, except everything was white.
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posted on
09/19/2015 8:40:38 AM PDT
by
odawg
To: jsanders2001
“Not when it confirms what my religion says....: )”
What if one contradicts your religion?
To: ifinnegan
This NDE stuff is bogus. Just tickling ears.Some of it certainly is.
But the proof would lie in coming back from an NDE with information you couldn't otherwise have. And even then there is the question of the experience being an occult one and not necessarily from God.
To: Salvation
There is a new movie out “90 Minutes in Heaven” based on a book by Baptist minister Joe Piper.
There was little said about Heaven except the wonderful feeling the bright non-earthly light and meeting family members and friends, but not meeting Jesus. There was nothing said about judgement or real entrance into Heaven or about salvation.
It was mostly about the pain and suffering he experienced after the accident, and his longing to return to “Heaven” and rejection of (and finally accepting) the help he received on earth from family and parishioners.
My daughter stated that the brother of a friend who had several near death experiences just saw darkness.
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posted on
09/19/2015 8:41:51 AM PDT
by
ADSUM
To: odawg
Was there a broken wheel at a well?
To: Salvation
I was a passenger in the back seat of a car that very narrowly avoided a head-on collision. We ended up in a ditch with nobody hurt.
While everyone else was screaming, I just felt this incredible calm. That was close to 30 years ago, but I still think about it.
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posted on
09/19/2015 8:46:26 AM PDT
by
real saxophonist
(YouTube + Twitter + Facebook = YouTwitFace.com)
To: odawg
I’m curious, were you in an accident? Or what happened to make you almost die?
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