Questioning Same-Sex "Marriage?" - Blame the leaders of the Catholic Church!

http://voxcantor.blogspot.com/2015/06/questioning-same-sex-marriage-blame.html ^ | June 27, 2015

[ebb tide]

For my non-Catholic readers you may find that title surprising, for some of my Catholic readers you may find it scandalous. However I suspect most of you will know exactly what it means.

As you know by now, the Supreme Court of the United States of America in a 5-4 vote decided that two men or two women have the constitutional right to enter into a legal marriage. What a lie. What utter poppycock.

As for the comments by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops' President, you're a little late. You did this. You and your colleagues and your predecessors. You are a scandal to the faithful. You are a disgrace to the Martyrs.

Marriage is between one man and one woman, period. You can call this legal definition whatever you want but marriage, it is not.

In Canada, we have had it forced upon us for a decade now. I recall the years before the debate with the news articles and sad stories about why such an abomination was necessary. These arguments never seemed to be part of the debate in America which seemed to centre specifically around "equality." While that was the eventual argument here under the minority rights provisions of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms it was not how Canadians were softened up.

We were presented with stories about how a co-habitating couple who were together for many years found themselves cut out of medical decisions or funeral arrangements for one or the other by cruel and vindictive families of the ill or deceased. We heard about how their health benefits were not available to the other (corporations quickly changed that lest they be accused of discrimination). Houses and bank accounts were frozen and the poor survivor was left homeless or penniless after death. And then of course, it was all about his and his towels, kitchen appliances and how much they love one another.

The truth is, it was never about marriage. One did not need "marriage" to affect inheritance, property financial security or visits in a hospital, decisions by others as to treatment or funeral arrangements. Canada, after all, is a nation with laws and legal precedence and civil courts and legislation. No "gay" couple needed marriage to give them legal protection. They needed a Last Will and Testament, a Power of Attorney for Personal Care, a Power of Attorney Over Personal Finances, an "On Title" to a property, "Joint Tenantship" to a lease. You see, legal protections were already there for any two persons to make any kind of legal relationship that they desired. If I were not married, I could give my brother or my best friend legal decisions or my medical care or finances should I become incompetent.

All western and probably most other nations have these kinds of legal instruments. No, it was never about marriage and it was never about love. The most intense study ever done on the population of homosexuals reveals that no more than about 2% of people are self-described, homosexuals. So, how does 2% of the population manage this? They wield this power because enough others are afraid to be called "bigots" and while they may not identify as "homosexual" they have had an experience with sodomy and are "bi-sexual" and some are blackmailed. It has happened because most people watch pornography and are chronic masturbators and their minds and reason have been poisoned by their own sexual perversions. They fear being called a hypocrite and they do not want to be judged for their own escapades with pornography, masturbation and massage parlours so they turn from the truth and allow license for everyone.

It was then and is about a fundamental hatred of the One Supreme God, the sacrificial offering of His Son and the intense hatred for His Church and by Church I mean, the Catholic Church as most protestants have long since apostatised from the Truth in the matter of marriage in addition to doctrine.

And it is the Catholic Church itself that has caused it all. Or perhaps I should say, it is the leadership of the Catholic Church, not the Church as the Mystical Body, but the leaders who have caused this abomination to happen to our nations. This lie has been given to us by Catholics.

In the decision yesterday in America, it was two Catholic Justices, Kennedy and Sotomayor, an Irishman and a Hispanic woman, both baptised and raised Catholic who did this. In fact, if only one of them was not blind to the Truth the vote would have been 5-4 in the other direction.

In Ireland, the bishops of that once Catholic land presided over the disaster of a referendum favouring this abomination of same-sex "marriage" looking at best as deer in headlights.

In Canada, we never had the chance to vote for it. It was forced upon us out of the blue by a Catholic Prime Minister who was a failure as a leader by the name of Paul Martin. There was no election mandate. The roots of it were already in place thanks to four other Catholic Prime Ministers, Jean Chretien, Brian Mulroney, Joseph Clark and Pierre Elliot Trudeau. These men, contributed each to the weakening of the Parliamentary system and the constitutional framework unknown before in this country that gave us judicial activism. Martin wanted to act before the Supreme Court forced it. We the people had little choice but as Canadians, we just went along to get along.

You see then?

It was Catholics in Canada and the United States imbued with false understanding of the One, True, Faith and blinded by secularism, liberalism and dictatorship of relativism hat gave us this situation. It happened because bishops failed to teach the faith properly for the last have century or more. It happened because the destruction of the liturgy lead to weak Catholics. It drove people from Mass and the Sacraments and the priests failed to preach the Truth.

Last October, we saw the filth and lies of these same bishops put forward in a Synod of the Church that would literally anoint sodomy for the "gifts" it can bring to the Church. All under the eyes of Pope Francis himself.

The consciences of these parliamentarians, congressmen, senators, prime ministers, presidents, and supreme court judges; Catholics many of them, were ill-formed and darkened by a corrupted Church that has betrayed Our Lord Jesus Christ because the Church has been infiltrated by sodomites and Marxists who hate Her and wish to bring about Her destruction because the Catholic Church is the only thing that stands in their way of total world domination.

The push for this abomination began in Holland and Belgium and Canada soon followed. Yet the United States is the most culturally hegemonic nation in the world. The disaster of this decision will have profound affects on other nations that have not yet gone down this road.

The truth is that persons who are "homosexuals" have much wrong with them. Aside from the "sin which cries out to heaven" they die younger and will continue to do so - "marriage" will not change reality. They die from hideous diseases and younger than the rest of the population. Suicide rates, violence between "lovers" depression, drug-abuse, alcoholism, self-mutilation. All of these are higher by significant percentages compared to the general population. It is not alleged discrimination that causes these conditions, it is their physical behaviour and the untreated spiritual and psychological conditions that lead to the physical manifestations.

Anal cancer (with caution, you can google the pictures and see what sodomy can cause) is 50% higher than the normal. Parasites such as amoebiasis and giardiasis, gonorrhea and anal warts abound in the population. Anorectal sepsis, Epstein-Barr Syndrome, Burkitt's Lymphoma, Nasopharyngeal Carcinoma, Karposi's Sarcoma, Hepatitis, AIDS, Prostrate Cancer, colitis, enterities, proctitus, proctocolitus and diseases of the mouth which would cause horror to view.

All this, because the leaders of the Holy Catholic Church have and continue to fail to teach the truth with clarity and charity.

That all men and women are children of God made in His Divine image and are called to something greater.

That they are loved by the Triune God and the Father call them through the Holy Spirit to come to the Son, Our LORD Jesus Christ for salvation.

God does not will that they die in their sin and are lost in Hell. He wants them, as He wants all of us in heaven for eternity with Him.

If the Church does not proclaim the Truth with clarity, no Year of Mercy is going to save them.

God help us.

[ansel12]

You need to quit defending Catholics voting democrat, and the democrat party doing everything in their power to keep bringing in more Catholic voters, by the millions.

[piusv]

Where did IrishBrigade defend the Dems?

[ansel12]

Read that post again.

[xzins]

All this, because the leaders of the Holy Catholic Church have and continue to fail to teach the truth with clarity and charity.

You're not serious, are you?

This is trash logic. An entire, huge, worldwide denomination is responsible because the culture overcame a few leaders in the west?

It's just sheer ignorance, sensationalism, and THIS PROTESTANT PASTOR knows a ridiculous argument when he sees one.

It's the kind of garbage that divides and conquers, gets people at one another's throats, rather than providing a serious discussion of how to fix what's wrong.

[xzins]

See #24. Should have pinged you.

[Rashputin]

". . . most of the Catholic hierarchy isn’t Catholic. We are in the midst of the Great Apostasy...which began in 1965."

Um, I agree, but I sure hope you don't take that the wrong way and decide it implies I'm attacking someone you know.

[CTrent1564]

xzins:

Well said the logic of the arguments in some of these posts would not allow someone to pass an elementary philosophy exam. So Lets see, the Roe v Wade Decision, which is “far worse” should be blamed on the Protestants. It was a 7-2 decision, with 8 of Justices being PRotestant [all were either Presbyterian, Methodist of Episcopalian] and 1 Catholic [Brennan]. Brennan, the Catholic sided with 6 Protestants to form the 7 majority. But if just half of the Protestants who voted in the majority 7-2 opinion had sided with Rehnquist [Lutheran] and B. White [Episcopalian], the 2 minority opinions in the 7-2 decision, Roe v. Wade would have been the other way around.

Of the course, I no more blame Roe V. Wade on the various Protestant communities than the recent same sex marriage ruling should be blamed on the Catholic Church. 4 out of 6 Catholics voted against it, given the times we live in, not bad, but the other 2 who voted for it should not be blamed on the Church collectively, it is the wrong headiness of 2 individuals.

At this point, I hope the Catholic Bishops no longer allow the Local parish Priest to issue the “license of marriage” at the Church. Clearly state what is going in the Catholic Liturgy is the “Catholic Sacrament of Holy Matrimony”, that is what is going on here. The couple [Man/Woman] could then go down to the their local City Court and have the “state license of marriage issued and signed” in the presence of the local Judge or his or her representative.

Totally separate the Catholic Liturgical Rite from the Secular side all together. How Protestant groups will handle this, I don’t know, I don’t want to speak for any of them.

That is my take on it.

[vladimir998]

“But Alito, Roberts, Scalia, and Thomas all are Catholic.”

More importantly, they are all Church going Catholics. Are Kennedy and Sotomayor?

[BlatherNaut]

Perhaps you are unaware that the author is also Catholic? His observation that we Catholics have been abandoned by many of our leaders who have betrayed their sacred duty to instruct us in the Faith is accurate, and not unique to our times.

[Chicory]

Why should the OP attack the Church in this instance?

He posted an article partly titled “Blame the Catholic Church!”

I simply pointed out that 1. one should not blame the Catholic Church for the actions of people whose actions go **against** Church teaching, and 2. that the SC justices are expected to set aside their “faith thinking” when rendering decisions.

Those who ruled that same-sex “marriage” is permitted by the 14th Amendment did indeed act outside their purview, but it had nothing to do with Catholicism at all.

[IrishBrigade]

Read that post again.

I’m guessing that you’re saying that to yourself, as you clearly didn’t read it the first time around...where in my post did I even mention Catholics...

you ignored the context of the post,the preponderance of females voting lefty...you didn’t even address it...

Why not...?

[ansel12]

You made a slap at conservatives out of thin air, for no reason.

The justices are Christians and Americans, they should have correctly interpreted the constitution.

As far as the people in Italy, at headquarters, they clearly have no problem with American Catholics voting for the left and the democrat party.

[IrishBrigade]

It’s the kind of garbage that divides and conquers, gets people at one another’s throats, rather than providing a serious discussion of how to fix what’s wrong.

I guess it escaped your notice that the author was a Catholic, holding the Catholic Church leaders to blame for their dilatory efforts, in the face of an obvious crisis coming...and it was directed towards Catholics...

Had a Protestant written the same type of article condemning Catholics (but of course that would never happen here on FR, would it) you might have a salient point, but, well, you’re simply on the wrong track here...

[ansel12]

I’m more interested in the fact that Catholics vote majority democrat and support gay marriage, and immigration, and that the left is importing more of them by the millions.

The left mocks us, as they tell us that they will in time conquer Texas as well, and then we will never win another presidential election again.

[piusv]

It's just sheer ignorance

There's ignorance being displayed here and it's not by the OP, myself nor most of the other Catholics that have posted here.

[Rashputin]

That trained parrot game of claiming everything is the fault of Catholics who vote democrat is just plain funny. A little more than half of those who self-identify as Catholics vote democrat and using your figure of 23%, that's at best 12% of the total electorate.

What percentage of the total electorate do all those good Protestant black folks who vote democrat make up ?

Who in their right mind believes 12% of the vote total is the real cause for what the other 78% decide ?

No one, except apparently you, believes the other 78% of the votes don't get counted.

Protestantism and Protestant teaching have always dominated this country. That Protestant doctrine has reached the logical endpoint of a the fundamental Protestant tenant of faith that states each individual can correctly interpret Scripture and Truth for their Self and Self Alone is the fault of no one except the Protestant majority themselves.

Even the seventy years of democrat majority rule in this country that led to this mess has far more to do with the South only gradually waking up to the fact that their own "good democrat" was stabbing them in the back than it has to do with anything tied in any way to religion rather than regionalism.

I realize that the anti-Catholic crowd are absolutely desperate to blame someone other than the dominant Protestant majority they champion for the state of this country, but the USSC vote is a good example of the situation.

The four faithful Catholic vote against queers marrying one another and clearly state it destroys the First Amendment and the anti-Catholic crowd screams about the two liberals who claim to be Catholic but who have built their lives and careers on the fundamental Protestant doctrine of Self and Self Alone just like the Protestant majority does.

Play Polly Parrot all you like, but the trash you parrot is just belly laugh funny.

Now, run down to your local non-Catholic church and join the celebration of the great queer marriage victory. Two local Methodist churches are having special services to celebrate, so try a Methodist Church if you can't make it to the Episcopal, Independent, Funny Walks Baptist, Foggy Mountain Bluegrass Church, or other queer loving loony bin.

[ansel12]

I’ve never made that claim, so you seem to have made a long post about nonsense.

This is post 34, the kind of thing that would concern a pro-life conservative.

I’m more interested in the fact that Catholics vote majority democrat and support gay marriage, and immigration, and that the left is importing more of them by the millions.

The left mocks us, as they tell us that they will in time conquer Texas as well, and then we will never win another presidential election again.

[Rashputin]

LOL, never made that claim ?

LOL, sure, it's just a coincidence that every comment goes right back to the same, lame, absurd, trash about the real problem in this country being the 12% of the electorate who claim to be Catholic and who vote democrat. No claim of any connection at all. LOL.

Geez, do just get most of what you post from a copy book and type it in without reading it?

There's plenty to mix in with the parrot posts instead of just slamming Catholics and then saying,
"Who, me? Blame this mess on Catholics"?

At least mix things up a bit. Why not go after the Irish for a change ? Those Irish traditionally vote democrat, throw in something about the bog Irish now and again. Yeah, the country would be fine if we had never let those Irish and Italians in, right? Better keep an eye on all those Hunkies, too.

In fact, you should do a statistical study of Methodists. They were the largest non-Catholic denomination for a long time, throw in a big, fat, "stinkin' Methodists" statistic now and again. Then maybe your stuff will at least be outright comedy club material instead of just parrot squawks.

[ebb tide]

More importantly, they are all Church going Catholics. Are Kennedy and Sotomayor?

Give me a ping when the Church excommunicates the two of them.

[ansel12]

Strange ramblings.

Educating pro-life conservatives on the importance of how groups vote and it’s connection to the left’s immigration passions and hopes, and plans, seems to deeply offend some non-conservatives.

It really, really angers some who don’t care about conservatism.