Posted on 04/02/2015 11:56:13 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski
Love Pink especially ...but I have some serious questions about CS lewis ..a close reading finds he favored universalism, purgatory etc.. Not so sure he was saved
The man was a charlatan, period.
Some of these quotes sound like the things that Pope Francis has been saying, I am sorry to say.
Lewis was a Christian philosopher, not a theologian, probably one of the deepest thinkers ever, influencing Chuck Colson and many others. I don’t consider him a biblicist like the others. For systematic Biblical doctrine you’re much better with the likes of Pink, MacArthur, John Walvarood, and others.
This may shock you to hear, mrs. Don-o, but I am more in agreement with you than with evangelicals on the issue of eternal security. There is an element of probation involved in the Christian walk.
No, I do not believe God creates people to destroy them. God is Love and Light. He is no respecter of persons.
Well, the Crystal Cathedral is part of his commercial real estate portfolio, now, so maybe he wants to blow out the leftover Schuller books at 75% off. :)
He taught it but that doesn’t mean people stayed in it. For a lot of people, this type of Light and Lively Skim Milk is like a gateway religion. I now a lot of people who graduated from PTL, Shuller and Osteen.
You and me both, Jan.
Pre-destination is a topic any member of the Presbyterian church USA leadership will be delighted to discuss since they know all the answers that the RCs don’t, and vice versa.
It’s not necessary for a child of God to have a doctorate in religious studies to know this is one of those subjects that just cannot be settled to everyone’s satisfaction in this temporal realm on Earth.
Enough cuts have previously been inflicted among Christians without clawing away any scabs, don’t you agree?
About Robert the Crystal Cathedral guy:
Luke 17:1
1 He (Jesus) said to His disciples, “It is inevitable that stumbling blocks come, but woe to him through whom they come!
2 “It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea, than that he would cause one of these little ones to stumble.…
In Noah’s time, God said “I repent that I made man” and then he destroyed them.
Then there is the Ameklites
It’s not part of any kind of papal real estate portfolio. Actually, it now belongs to the Diocese of Orange.
I am just perplexed when people like the Rev. Schuller are discussed as if they had a choice in their salvation/damnation, when Reformed and Calvinist theology (as I understand/misunderstand it) insists that his so-called choices and his actions have nothing to do with it.
Did you choose to become a member of your church? Is it possible to choose to leave your church?
You need a good Presbyterian member of PC-USA to discuss this for a better understanding. I did, years ago, until my head swam and I quit going to their wayward (even then) congregations’ intellectual exercises.
First was that the bulletin had a list of classes and meetings during the week. . . and not one of them was about God or Jesus or the Bible.
They listed things like
Second was the name dropping in his sermons. . . which were always about who he knew and the celebrities he was with and preached to. "When I was talking to John Wayne yesterday . . . " "Governor so-and-so called me for advice. . . " etc.
The third thing was both appalling and amusing. I had always been taught to not brag about my giving of "alms" "Don't let your left hand know when your right hand gives alms" and so on. At the Crystal Cathedral, literally everything is festooned with little brass plaques that are engraved with "Given to the Greater Glory of God by. . ." then the name of the donor. Every section of side walk and pathway, every window frame, every pew seat, doorway, etc., has a little brass plaque with that engraving. . . even the door in the stalls in the bathrooms. They were so ubiquitous that I, facetiously lifted the seat on the toilet and, SO HELP ME, on the bottom of the toilet seat there was a little brass plaque saying "Given to the Greater. . . " I could not stop laughing for quite some time.
I am sorry he is dead and I pray for his soul. . . and for his family. But I did not find Christ or God anywhere near the Crystal Cathedral. . . except in the people who worshiped there. They were seeking and sometimes finding.
The Christmas pageants were spectacular. . . but I found the ones put on by the children in a small church much more moving than Schuller's flying angels and all his wisemen in fancy costumes riding live elephants and camels.
Yes. That is to say, I chose to leave it in my late teens-early 20's, and then I chose to come back.
"Is it possible to choose to leave your church?"
Obviously.
"You need a good Presbyterian member of PC-USA to discuss this for a better understanding. I did, years ago, until my head swam and I quit going to their wayward (even then) congregations’ intellectual exercise."
Anybody want to jump in here?
Thank you.
That is true. And I am happy about that although I must say that after visiting there since the transfer, I felt bad for those who have loved ones buried there. Many were devout members of the Reformed Church and good Christians. I do have a problem with Schuller’s theology but will pray for his soul and that his family be comforted.
Thankfully, the Diocese of OC has been very considerate of the Reformed congregation and even encouraged them to join them at their Memorial Day remembrance.
Also, FWIW, I believe the theology of the grandson is better.
I have always wondered about the significance of all the thousands of Divinely-spoken imperative verbs in Scripture:
It's all a big farce, all for nothing if everything is preordained, if you can't actually listen, repent, and be saved.
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