Posted on 04/02/2015 11:56:13 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski
2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
I am sad at the news of fellow Iowan Dr. Robert Schuller and pray for the comfort of the Lord on his family. However, I am very concerned for his soul. Dr. Robert Schuller was a prolific false teacher whose errant teachings destroyed thousands, if not millions (especially old ladies who could not drive to church who clung to his false TV teachings - some of whom I knew personally).
Dr. Schuller is gone, but the damage he wrought on the Christian Church persists in his younger disciples (e.g. Rick Warren, Joel Osteen, Joyce Meyer, etc.) The following is a short subset of the many heretical teachings that this 'wolf in sheep's clothing' introduced...(please feel free to add your own Robert Schuller heresies)...
Schuller - We enter the Kingdom of God when we ‘have a dream…focus on the dream…[and] fuel the dream’ (Hour of Power TV broadcast 25/3/01) Schuller - The Church needs a theology that is man-centred, not God-centred (Hour of Power TV Broadcast)
Schuller - Jesus bore the cross to sanctify our self esteem.
Schuller - Self-love is the ultimate will of man (Self Esteem: The New Reformation, 1982).
Schuller - Focus on the things the major faiths can agree on.
Schuller - Transcendental Meditation, Zen Buddhism and yoga are valid methods for harnessing God’s divine laws.
Schuller - “Its time to go to the Pope and say, ‘what do we have to do to come home?’” (1987).
Schuller - If he came back and found his grandchildren were Muslims it wouldn’t bother him. (Hour of Power)
Schuller - When the Bible says a people without a vision perish it is talking about the ‘inner eye’ of visualisation (Psychology Today, 1985).
Schuller - “AND WHAT IS 'HELL'? IT IS THE LOSS OF PRIDE THAT NATURALLY FOLLOWS SEPARATION FROM GOD--the ultimate and unfailing source of our soul's sense of self-respect. (Schuller, Self-Esteem, pp. 14-15, 93).
Schuller - “What do I mean by sin? Answer: 'SIN IS ANY ACT OR THOUGHT THAT ROBS MYSELF OR ANOTHER HUMAN BEING OF HIS OR HER SELF-ESTEEM’” (Schuller, Self-Esteem, p. 14).
Schuller - THE FATHERHOOD OF GOD OFFERS A DEEP SPIRITUAL CURE FOR THE INFERIORITY COMPLEX AND LAYS THE FIRM FOUNDATION FOR A SOLID SPIRITUAL SELF-ESTEEM” (Schuller, Self-Esteem, p. 60).
Schuller - “Classical theology DEFINES SIN AS 'REBELLION AGAINST GOD.' The answer is not incorrect as much as IT IS SHALLOW AND INSULTING TO THE HUMAN BEING.(Schuller, Self-Esteem, p. 65).
Schuller - “The core of original sin, Lack of Trust. Or, it could be considered an innate inability to adequately value ourselves. Label it a 'negative self-image,' but DO NOT SAY THAT THE CENTRAL CORE OF THE HUMAN SOUL IS WICKEDNESS. ... POSITIVE CHRISTIANITY DOES NOT HOLD TO HUMAN DEPRAVITY, BUT TO HUMAN INABILITY. I am humanly unable to correct my negative self-image until I encounter a life-changing experience with non-judgmental love bestowed upon me by a Person whom I admire so much that to be unconditionally accepted by him is to be born again” (Schuller, Self-Esteem, p. 67).
Schuller - TO BE BORN AGAIN MEANS THAT WE MUST BE CHANGED FROM A NEGATIVE TO A POSITIVE SELF-IMAGE--from inferiority to self-esteem, from fear to love, from doubt to trust” (Schuller, Self-Esteem, p. 68).
Schuller - “THE CROSS SANCTIFIES THE EGO TRIP. FOR THE CROSS PROTECTED OUR LORD'S PERFECT SELF-ESTEEM FROM TURNING INTO SINFUL PRIDE” (Schuller, Self-Esteem, p. 75).
Schuller - ESSENTIALLY, IF CHRISTIANITY IS TO SUCCEED IN THE NEXT MILLENNIUM, IT MUST CEASE TO BE A NEGATIVE RELIGION AND MUST BECOME POSITIVE” (Schuller, Self-Esteem, p. 104).
Schuller - “JESUS NEVER CALLED A PERSON A SINNER. ... Rather he reserved his righteous rebuke for those who used their religious authority to generate guilt and caused people to lose their ability to taste and enjoy their right to dignity...” (Schuller, Self-Esteem, pp. 100,126).
Schuller - “Christ is the Ideal One, for HE WAS SELF-ESTEEM INCARNATE” (Schuller, Self-Esteem, p. 135).
Schuller - EXERCISING NARROW AUTHORITARIANISM IN DOCTRINES AND PRACTICES AND BY SOWING SEEDS OF SUSPICION AND DISSENSION IN THE RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY. (Schuller, Self-Esteem, pp. 153-154).
Schuller - “The classical error of historical Christianity is that we have never started with the value of the person. Rather, WE HAVE STARTED FROM THE 'UNWORTHINESS OF THE SINNER,' AND THAT STARTING POINT HAS SET THE STAGE FOR THE GLORIFICATION OF HUMAN SHAME in Christian theology” (Schuller, Self-Esteem, p. 162).
Whoa!
Ol’ Joe wasn’t that big in the preview!
“Tozer... helpful...”
Interesting. Psalm 118: 8 applies to Tozer.
Tozer taught that there can be no spiritual regeneration until there has been a moral reformation. Tozer clearly states that a person’s salvation is conditioned upon one’s intention to reform. (”The Best of A.W. Tozer”, book 2 pg 115 - 117.)
A very Catholic concept! And - Tozer read and was influenced by several of the great Catholic mystics.
Tozer taught that a person must reform their life in order to trust Christ which is a form of the dreaded works salvation.
Tozer thinks like a Catholic.
I agree. Just skimming through many posts on this thread ... well, there’s a lot of ugliness spewing forth on Good Friday for a decent man.
So you found one quote you like and now own him as a Catholic?
What a joke.
Since Tozer is no longer alive to ask about his comment, then we are left to hash it out.
There cannot even be intent to reform unless the Spirit of God puts it in a person’s heart. And that’s called *repentance*.
The Pharisees were morally upright and inwardly corrupt and unsaved, while the tax collectors and prostitutes came to Jesus first and then got saved and their lives were changed.
If Tozer actually meant what you are implying, then I disagree with him on that for the reasons above.
Nevertheless, that does not mean that Tozer *thinks like a Catholic* nor does that mean that I don’t find the rest of his stuff helpful.
I don’t agree with everyone on every point of doctrine.
FWIW, one of your Catholic compatriots keyworded some of the Tozer threads with *catholicbashing* so y’all need to decide if he’s Catholic in his thinking or a Catholic basher.
Have you read the rest of his stuff? Or just that one quote you like?
No, I really don’t know that much about Mr. Schuller other than he was a friend of HHH and lost the cathedral in a financial decline.
Having reviewed the previous posts, I can say I knew nothing really about Schuller “theology”. It is apostate.
The quotes provided in the original post were just the tip of the iceberg.
You're the tail wagging the dog. It's that some Catholics think like Tozer when it comes to sound, biblical doctrine.
The message was very simple: The way to serve God is to be the great person god wants you to be. Simple.
Robert Schuller: I hope you don't preach this, I hope you don't preach this!
MH: What, the texts?
RS: No, what you just spoke into the microphone right now. I hope you don't because you could do a lot of damage to a lot of beautiful people. But maybe if you preach it, maybe you will demonstrate your knowledge of human relationships and maybe you'll demonstrate a sensitivity of caring about these pathetic, pathetic people that are so lost in pain and suffering because of their sinful condition, and I think you'd want to save them. I think you'd want to bring them to Jesus. And so if you preach that text, oh man, I sure hope you give it the kind of interpretation that I do or, I'll tell you, you'll drive them farther away and they'll be madder than hell at you and they'll turn the Bible off, and they'll switch you off, and they'll turn on the rock music and Madonna. Just because it's in the Bible doesn't mean you should preach it. And if you do, you have to say, "Who's listening to me? Will they understand? And will the love of Jesus come through my words and through my message; through my personality. Will it come through my spirit? Will I come across as a humble person or will I come across as a person who's kind of mean and know-it-all: I've got the answers and when people like Schuller come along, they're heretics! Be careful, it is so difficult to preach some of those texts and not come across as lacking humility...
I don't think so...he was ignorant of the truth because he had been taught otherwise by those Prottys that he trusted to be teaching truth (they weren't)
Luther, on the other hand, knew the truth, had been taught by those who only taught the truth, and decided that he knew better than they did as to what Christ founded as Christianity (he didn't)...
It appears like Osteen picked up the mantle...
https://www.google.com/search?q=osteen+books&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-Address&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7ADRA_enUS475&gws_rd=ssl
Just think; a few hundred years ago he could have ONLY been following the Catholics.
He sure would have stayed out of trouble by emulating THEIR example!!
Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.[1]
Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.
Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy
Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy
Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.[2]
Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.[3]
Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony[4]
Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.
Robert Schuller was a son of satan. My understanding from older folks in Northwest Iowa is that he was booted from the Reformed Churches in the midwest because of errant teachings. Instead of repenting, he took his “strange fire” to California and found itching ears.
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