Posted on 03/29/2015 5:59:11 AM PDT by RnMomof7
Your example is completely unrelated to the Real Presence and I did not state that he did not eat the small scroll because I do not know. The Bible does tell that he ate it and it tasted like honey. Your examples are just distractions from the main issue of the Real presence in the Eucharist that you try hard to ignore.
Why do Fundamentalists and Evangelicals reject the plain, literal interpretation of John 6? For them, Catholic sacraments are out because they imply a spiritual reality—grace—being conveyed by means of matter. This seems to them to be a violation of the divine plan. For many Protestants, matter is not to be used, but overcome or avoided.
God approves of matter—he approves of it because he created it—and he approves of it so much that he comes to us under the appearances of bread and wine, just as he does in the physical form of the Incarnate Christ.
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In John 6:63 “flesh profits nothing” refers to mankind’s inclination to think using only what their natural human reason would tell them rather than what God would tell them. Thus in John 8:15–16 Jesus tells his opponents: “You judge according to the flesh, I judge no one. Yet even if I do judge, my judgment is true, for it is not I alone that judge, but I and he who sent me.” So natural human judgment, unaided by God’s grace, is unreliable; but God’s judgment is always true.
It is comforting to those of us who understand John 6 metaphorically that the RCC aligns itself with the view of the unbelievers who abandoned Him.
So I ask again..did Jesus and the apostles eat the REAL, ACTUAL , PHYSICAL body of Christ at the last supper? What part did they eat that He did not need?
He was naked on that cross and there is no mention of anything "missing"
Lets stick to the topic and not go down some bunny trails
Did the apostles eat the REAL, ACTUAL,PHYSICAL body of Christ at the last passover? How did they do that?
I do understand Catholic teaching. It's carnal and pagan at it's core. It simply manipulates and changes scripture in an attempt to give itself legitimacy.
It’s interesting that we never get an answer to that.
What a fine example of needing a posse to help bury the Truth that someone doesn't want to accept.
Yes, they ate the real, actual, physical, body of Christ because Jesus Christ Himself, God incarnate, The Word made flesh, said, This IS my body.
Looks like when it comes to believing what Jesus Christ Himself said, "Faith Alone" boils down to "Faith that ain't Faith at all" which is in reality, as always,
Faith in Self and Self Alone
the real cornerstone of all Protestant and Protestant derived doctrine.
"Christians" who refuse to accept the words of Christ Himself are interesting, to say the least.
This is not assuring that this is an INFALLIBLE teaching of the magisterium...it simply gives approval for Catholics to read it.
Could we please see the original document or statement that contains the interpretation is stated to be infallible.
Paul in Corinthians says:
23For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, 24and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, “This is my body which is fore you. Do this in remembrance of me.”f 25In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes."
He received from the Lord -- "for as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup..."
Sounds like the disciples ate bread and drank wine and not the actual flesh and blood of Christ as inspired by The Lord himself to Paul.
I would think if Christ was being literal, there would have been nothing of his body left to crucify. I don't understand why some denominations have an issue understanding this -- don't you?
Hoss
Maybe you will learn something.
It has been posted numerous times by salvation.
I think the most recent was in Sokolka, Poland in 2008 and it was scientifically determined to be heart muscle and blood type AB.
1996 in Buenos Aires and 1100 AD in Lanciano.
Your question; “Care to put that flesh on display for the whole world to see? .”
Yes the Consecrated Host is put on display at Catholic Churches throughout the world for adoration. Check your local Catholic Church for times. At my parish it will be on display until midnight Thursday as we remember and celebrate the Last Supper. It is a wonderful experience to honor God and pray in His presence.
The Consecrated Host as the Body and Blood of Christ are also on display during a Catholic Mass.
Well, then, have you torn out that offending eye and cut off that offending hand? Or would you claim that you are so pure that you have never "offended"?
What part did they eat...Jesus was using it at the time..
Dorothy believed if she clicked her heels together she would get home
Faith in faith saves no one, nor does it transport Dorothy home,having faith in something that was physically IMPOSSIBLE because someone said so,is not faith it is foolishness.
Jesus stood LIVING ...His blood coursing through His veins ... His flesh intact ...Jesus was Human , needing all those body parts..he was fully human and could not be in 2 places at once
His words should have caused rebellion, for the sinless Savior was inviting them to sin WITH HIM by breaking Levitical law ... that would mean He could not have saved us on the cross, because He would have been a sinner ...no more "spotless lamb "
It is so strange that Romanists mock the idea of salvation by faith alone and yet trust their eternity to men ..“Sola Eccliesia”.
‘Bleeding’ Eucharist at Primary School in Moruga [Trinidad]
The Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano, Italy (The Body and Blood of Christ) [Catholic Caucus]
Do You Believe in Eucharistic Miracles?
Eucharistic Miracle at St. Stephen's in New Boston MI.(Catholic Caucas)
[CATHOLIC CAUCUS] EUCHARISTIC MIRACLES
[CATHOLIC CAUCUS]'Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity': The Miracle and Gift of the Most Holy Eucharist
Looking After a Eucharistic Miracle (Franciscan Recounts His Special Mission in Siena)
Eucharistic Miracle: 2009?
Possible Eucharistic Miracle in Poland
The Eucharistic Miracles(Catholic Caucus)
Vatican display exhibits eucharistic miracles
Eucharistic Miracle - Bolsena-Orvieto, Italy
Physician Tells of Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano -Verifies Authenticity of the Phenomenon
BLOOD TYPE FOUND IN ICONS IS SAME AS IN SHROUD OF TURIN AND 'LANCIANO MIRACLE'
Eucharistic Miracle: Lanciano,Italy-8th Century A.D.
Video http://www.pdtsigns.com/euch.html
My mistake it was the 8th century (not 1100 AD in Lanciano, Italy)
To which the Self and Self Alone folks reply
"No it ain't cause that would destroy the body of Christ"
Oh ye of little faith.
“Jesus Christ Himself said, This is my body, which proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Apostles ate the real flesh and blood of Christ just like those who partake of the Eucharist do to this day.”
So Jesus never spoke figuratively?
Oh ye of little faith.
As long as you eat this BREAD and drink this CUP....
Oh, ye of great misinterpretation...
Hoss
You prove the point - - was Christ a door? A vine? A cornerstone?
No? Then he DID use figurative language. Just as he did at the Last Supper.
Oh, ye of great misrepresentation.
Hoss
"And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh, and they did so as the LORD had commanded: and Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh, and before his servants, and it became a serpent. Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments. For they cast down every man his rod, and they became serpents: but Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods." —Exodus 7:10-12
Exo 7:21 And the fish that was in the river died; and the river stank, and the Egyptians could not drink of the water of the river; and there was blood throughout all the land of Egypt. 22 And the magicians of Egypt did so with their enchantments:and Pharaoh's heart was hardened, neither did he hearken unto them; as the LORD had said.
Exo 8:5 ¶ And the LORD spake unto Moses, Say unto Aaron, Stretch forth thine hand with thy rod over the streams, over the rivers, and over the ponds, and cause frogs to come up upon the land of Egypt. Exo 8:6 And Aaron stretched out his hand over the waters of Egypt; and the frogs came up, and covered the land of Egypt. 7And the magicians did so with their enchantments, and brought up frogs upon the land of Egypt.
..Yes Satan is VERY good at producing false apparitions and miracles to deceive ... so Romes "bread miracles " are just part of a pattern that Jesus warned us about
Mat:…23"Then if anyone says to you, 'Behold, here is the Christ,' or 'There He is,' do not believe him. 24"For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. 25"Behold, I have told you in advance.
We have been warned ...The bread god is from the pit of hell ...
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