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To: CynicalBear
When you seek the Truth, you may begin to understand Catholic teaching. Read the whole article posted below and you may understand.

Your example is completely unrelated to the Real Presence and I did not state that he did not eat the small scroll because I do not know. The Bible does tell that he ate it and it tasted like honey. Your examples are just distractions from the main issue of the Real presence in the Eucharist that you try hard to ignore.

Why do Fundamentalists and Evangelicals reject the plain, literal interpretation of John 6? For them, Catholic sacraments are out because they imply a spiritual reality—grace—being conveyed by means of matter. This seems to them to be a violation of the divine plan. For many Protestants, matter is not to be used, but overcome or avoided.

God approves of matter—he approves of it because he created it—and he approves of it so much that he comes to us under the appearances of bread and wine, just as he does in the physical form of the Incarnate Christ.

NIHIL OBSTAT: I have concluded that the materials
presented in this work are free of doctrinal or moral errors.
Bernadeane Carr, STL, Censor Librorum, August 10, 2004

IMPRIMATUR: In accord with 1983 CIC 827
permission to publish this work is hereby granted.
+Robert H. Brom, Bishop of San Diego, August 10, 2004

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/christ-in-the-eucharist

In John 6:63 “flesh profits nothing” refers to mankind’s inclination to think using only what their natural human reason would tell them rather than what God would tell them. Thus in John 8:15–16 Jesus tells his opponents: “You judge according to the flesh, I judge no one. Yet even if I do judge, my judgment is true, for it is not I alone that judge, but I and he who sent me.” So natural human judgment, unaided by God’s grace, is unreliable; but God’s judgment is always true.

81 posted on 03/30/2015 9:09:00 AM PDT by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM
>>you may begin to understand Catholic teaching.<<

I do understand Catholic teaching. It's carnal and pagan at it's core. It simply manipulates and changes scripture in an attempt to give itself legitimacy.

84 posted on 03/30/2015 9:21:46 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: ADSUM; CynicalBear
NIHIL OBSTAT: I have concluded that the materials presented in this work are free of doctrinal or moral errors. Bernadeane Carr, STL, Censor Librorum, August 10, 2004
IMPRIMATUR: In accord with 1983 CIC 827 permission to publish this work is hereby granted. +Robert H. Brom, Bishop of San Diego, August 10, 2004

This is not assuring that this is an INFALLIBLE teaching of the magisterium...it simply gives approval for Catholics to read it.

Could we please see the original document or statement that contains the interpretation is stated to be infallible.

87 posted on 03/30/2015 9:35:34 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: ADSUM

“Why do Fundamentalists and Evangelicals reject the plain, literal interpretation of John 6? For them, Catholic sacraments are out because they imply a spiritual reality—grace—being conveyed by means of matter. This seems to them to be a violation of the divine plan. For many Protestants, matter is not to be used, but overcome or avoided.”

No, Protestants don’t object because of “matter”; we are not manicheanists. We object because this view put grace subject to works, in that in order to obtain grace, you must first do certain works. The Bible tells us that the chronology is the opposite. First you recieve grace, and then your spirit is regenerated, enabling you to do good works.


101 posted on 03/30/2015 10:32:35 AM PDT by Boogieman
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