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“The truth is like a lion. You don’t have to defend it, let it loose, and it will defend itself.” -St. Augustine of Hippo
1 posted on 02/20/2015 3:22:59 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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Whether you are Catholic or Protestant— we are all followers of Christ, and He is the ultimate goal.


Exactly!


2 posted on 02/20/2015 3:28:41 PM PST by boycott
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A thing Protestants will disagree with
That ONLY by putting oneself under submission to the Pope
can one be saved
Various Popes speaking Ex Cathedra...

http://www.onetruecatholicfaith.com/Roman-Catholic-Articles.php?id=443&title=1.+The+Chair+of+St.+Peter+on+Outside+the+Catholic+Church+There+is+No+Salvation&category=Outside+the+Catholic+Church+there+is+no+Salvation&page=1

Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, Constitution 1, 1215, ex cathedra: “There is indeed one universal Church of the faithful, outside of which nobody at all is saved, in which Jesus Christ is both priest and sacrifice.”1

Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam, Nov. 18, 1302, ex cathedra:

“With Faith urging us we are forced to believe and to hold the one, holy, Catholic Church and that, apostolic, and we firmly believe and simply confess this Church outside of which there is no salvation nor remission of sin… Furthermore, we declare, say, define, and proclaim to every human creature that they by absolute necessity for salvation are entirely subject to the Roman Pontiff.”2

Pope Clement V, Council of Vienne, Decree # 30, 1311?1312, ex cathedra:

“Since however there is for both regulars and seculars, for superiors and subjects, for exempt and non?exempt, one universal Church, outside of which there is no salvation, for all of whom there is one Lord, one faith, and one baptism…”3

Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Sess. 8, Nov. 22, 1439, ex cathedra:

“Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without a doubt perish in eternity.”4

Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra: “The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”5

Pope Leo X, Fifth Lateran Council, Session 11, Dec. 19, 1516, ex cathedra: “For, regulars and seculars, prelates and subjects, exempt and non?exempt,

belong to the one universal Church, outside of which no one at all is saved, and they all have one Lord and one faith.”6

Pope Pius IV, Council of Trent, “Iniunctum nobis,” Nov. 13, 1565, ex cathedra: “This true Catholic faith, outside of which no one can be saved… I now profess and truly hold…”7

Pope Benedict XIV, Nuper ad nos, March 16, 1743, Profession of Faith: “This faith of the Catholic Church, without which no one can be saved, and which of my own accord I now profess and truly hold…”8

Pope Pius IX, Vatican Council I, Session 2, Profession of Faith, 1870, ex cathedra: “This true Catholic faith, outside of which none can be saved, which I now freely profess and truly hold…”9

3 posted on 02/20/2015 3:33:30 PM PST by HangnJudge
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Coming from a Protestant background myself, the Catholics always appeared to be a little stiff and removed, living under what many thought were unbending rules and oddly dissonant ideas. Then, as the curvature of the earth slowly became apparent, Catholics turned out to be very little different, in any significant way, from any other branch of Christianity, and in fact, they were pretty much ALL of Christianity for the first thousand years or so. The clergy of the Church had pretty much removed themselves from the daily life of the lay people, and perhaps this was what contributed to all these misconceptions that grew up over the centuries. But once the lay people were really allowed to participate in the dialogue and to discover the very spirit of the words of the Scriptures, then a great transformation came over the means by which Christianity was broadcast to the world.

The convergence has been a good thing.


4 posted on 02/20/2015 3:36:33 PM PST by alloysteel (It isn't science, it's law. Rational thought does not apply.)
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I am not a Catholic and I’m tired of hearing there too.


5 posted on 02/20/2015 3:37:33 PM PST by CityCenter (Breathe, Focus, Execute)
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Books are written on each one of the listed offences- on both sides. The real problem is Islam.

Daniel prophesied that the antichrist will come from the people that destroyed the temple. The tenth legion under Titus Vespasian destroyed the temple in 70 ad. So the antichrist comes from he old Roman empire right? The Pope right? The 10th legion was comprised of Syrians and Turks...pay attention to the details. Islam cuts off heads, not the Pope.

6 posted on 02/20/2015 3:39:52 PM PST by D Rider
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We don’t pray to Mary, we ask her to pray for us, just as a Protestant asks their deceased grandparent/parent to watch over them.

What sect does that?

7 posted on 02/20/2015 3:40:29 PM PST by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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You forgot the part where we all really drink the blood of Christ and eat his body during the eucharist.


8 posted on 02/20/2015 3:44:25 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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2.“Catholics pray to Mary instead of God.” This is a very common misconception throughout the Protestant community, and while I can understand why it is, I am also disheartened that many jump to such a harsh conclusion of the Catholic faith. We don’t pray to Mary, we ask her to pray for us, just as a Protestant asks their deceased grandparent/parent to watch over them.

Catholics consider prayer as not necessarily worship. The Catholic considers prayer as a personal spiritual conversation, or is some cases communal prayer.

When a Catholic is at Mass he or she prays, but at the moment of the raising of the Host, that is when a Catholic "worships" the Body of Jesus present at that point in time.

So, to ask the Mother of Jesus for help is NOT worship, it is a spiritual conversation.

Huge difference.

Protestants do not have a Eucharist to "worship" so their entire service is a "worship" service.

So when a Protestant prays he or she is "worshipping" God.

The words "worship" and "prayer" mean different things to the Catholic and the Protestant.

9 posted on 02/20/2015 3:47:27 PM PST by Slyfox (I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever)
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We don’t pray to Mary, we ask her to pray for us, just as a Protestant asks their deceased grandparent/parent to watch over them.

I don't ask my deceased relatives to watch over me. Jesus said the only way to Heaven is through Him. That is where prayers need to be directed. Not to saints. Not to Mary. Jesus. He IS the only way. You won't get into Heaven by asking Mary to pray for you. You won't get into Heaven by praying to a saint or asking a saint to pray for you. Jesus said He is the ONLY WAY.

10 posted on 02/20/2015 3:48:20 PM PST by dware (The GOP is dead. Long live Conservatism.)
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This is a very nice collection of false answers to real questions. The hits keep coming.


11 posted on 02/20/2015 3:49:32 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion ( "Forward lies the crown, and onward is the goal.")
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"we are all followers of Christ, and He is the ultimate goal."

Amen.

12 posted on 02/20/2015 3:51:52 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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10. “Catholics believe you can pay your way into Heaven.” We definitely do not. That is a huge misconception which occurred during the Protestant Reformation.

You can pay your way into a Catholic funeral. Ask the Kennedys.
13 posted on 02/20/2015 3:55:12 PM PST by Old Yeller (Civil rights are for civilized people.)
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11. Sick of hearing biased FR mods molly-coddle the multitudinous anti-Catholics who spout all of 1 thru 10 and then smugly reprimand Catholics who point out the spouting.

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14 posted on 02/20/2015 3:56:13 PM PST by workerbee (The President of the United States is PUBLIC ENEMY #1)
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We have enough problems in the world without this Catholic-Protestant/Evangelical tension. Leave it alone....put it in a box and forget it. There are far greater evils that face Christianity (Mormons included) than the perceived theological inaccuracies that each and all can find with each other.


18 posted on 02/20/2015 4:02:09 PM PST by yetidog
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“Catholics worship statues.”

This one makes me laugh. Since most non-Catholic Christians put up nativity scenes at Christmas, I guess this is the only time of the year when they worship statues.


23 posted on 02/20/2015 4:13:56 PM PST by Mother Mary
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just as a Protestant asks their deceased grandparent/parent to watch over them.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh...say what? I don't pray to my deceased parent/grandparents and I don't ask they pray for me. Talk about ludicrous.

25 posted on 02/20/2015 4:28:27 PM PST by TomServo
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.“Catholics worship statues.” This stereotype is painful to hear. Not only is this completely false, but it is ludicrous. Despite the fact that there are 801 millions Protestants world-wide, according to the Pew Research Center, my rant will be geared towards our brothers and sisters in the United States. In this country, approximately 51.5% of people are Protestant Christians. Realistically, most of these families have pictures in their home, which is completely normal, right? Right. They have pictures of their loved ones, both living and deceased. Is it not hypocritical then to say that Catholics are idol worshipers, when these families have portraits of their loved ones on the walls? If these Protestant families can have pictures of Uncle Bernie and Mawmaw hanging on the wall, then most certainly the Church can present pictures of our beloved Jesus, his disciples, and the saints.

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

How can you have a depiction of JC when you don't even know what he looks like. I seriously doubt he had blond hair and blue eyes, which is just one of the depictions I've seen. Also, there is no commandment that says you can't have a picture of a human.

27 posted on 02/20/2015 4:44:27 PM PST by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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The couple times I attended a Catholic church in my adult life, I was amazed at the ridiculous pomp and circumstance. Rise, sit, rise, sit, rise, sit. And then there are the costumes the Catholic leaders wear that doesn't compute with the simple clothing Christ wore at the time.

I've always believed Christ to be a simple and extraordinarly gifted spiritual man who would be dismayed how his teachings were so perverted to build a powerful and obscenely rich theocracy.

I still don't get why a Pope has a direct line to God. He's voted in by a bunch of fallible humans called Cardinals. It's a human popularity and political contest.

That said: I live my life according Judeo/Christian ethics. However, I don't need flowing robes and big hats and arcane rituals to tell me what my heart already knows. It's called empathy, sympathy, and compassion. If God gave them to me, then I thank him. I want to believe.

28 posted on 02/20/2015 4:44:53 PM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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“God said to confess sins to Him, not a priest.” This one is a personal favorite of mine. Drum roll please. -James 5:16 “Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much.” It is true that we pray directly to God, and ask Him to forgiveness, however for sins (mortal) we do as Jesus commands and confess it to one another (our priests). Jesus said this directly to his disciples, so through Him, they were able to forgive sins. This power passed down to every priest, and so on and so forth.

One another would be your peers, not some priest.

30 posted on 02/20/2015 4:47:30 PM PST by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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1. Catholics always reduce peeves to countable lists.


32 posted on 02/20/2015 4:47:57 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Bush / Clinton 2016! Clinton / Bush 2020! Uniparty Rules!)
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