Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone
The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.
That whole thing comes from an erroneous belief that the original New Testament, especially Matthew, was written in Aramaic or Hebrew. People like Michael Rood and others do the same thing. They don't even believe that the New Testament we have today is the infallible words of God. Some weird beliefs and practices result.
Nor as expounded, are we saved because by God's grace we finally attained the actual practical perfection of character needed to be with God, which in pat purgatory is promote as doing, nor would a lack of holiness result in anything less than Hell. Instead as with Abraham who had done good but whose faith was counted for righteousness, and the unGodly who has no works to offer God but whose faith is counted for righteousness in conversion, and the dying contrite criminal of Lk. 23 who directly went to be with Christ by faith, the believer is counted as righteous though he has not attained the actual practical perfection of character needed to be with God.
Yet God presently and at the judgment judges a believer as being so and fit to be rewarded based upon his works/holiness, as said and shown. (Mt. 25:31-40; Rv. 3:4)
““We must therefore most certainly maintain that where there is no faith there also can be no good works; and conversely, that there is no faith where there are no good works. Therefore faith and good works should be so closely joined together that the essence of the entire Christian life consists in both.” [Martin Luther, as cited by Paul Althaus, The Theology of Martin Luther [Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1963], 246, footnote 99]
it is just as impossible to separate faith and works as it is to separate heat and light from fire! [http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/wittenberg/luther/luther-faith.txt]
Also, rather than the easy believism Rome associates with sola fide, in Puritan Protestantism there was often a tendency to make the way to the cross too narrow, perhaps in reaction against the Antinomian controversy as described in an account (http://www.the-highway.com/Early_American_Bauckham.html) of Puritans during the early American period that notes,
“They had, like most preachers of the Gospel, a certain difficulty in determining what we might call the ‘conversion level’, the level of difficulty above which the preacher may be said to be erecting barriers to the Gospel and below which he may be said to be encouraging men to enter too easily into a mere delusion of salvation. Contemporary critics, however, agree that the New England pastors set the level high. Nathaniel Ward, who was step-son to Richard Rogers and a distinguished Puritan preacher himself, is recorded as responding to Thomas Hooker’s sermons on preparation for receiving Christ in conversion with, ‘Mr. Hooker, you make as good Christians before men are in Christ as ever they are after’, and wishing, ‘Would I were but as good a Christian now as you make men while they are preparing for Christ.’”
Rome confuses the evidential effects of faith which are justificatory as confirmatory of salvation, with being the cause of it.
Although the sinner is justified by the justice of Christ, inasmuch as the Redeemer has merited for him the grace of justification (causa meritoria), nevertheless he is formally justified and made holy by his own personal justice and holiness (causa formalis).” Catholic Encyclopedia>Sanctifying Grace
Catholics and Muslims serve the same god per your catechism. That tells me enough right there to stay away from that cult.Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day.WRONG, WRONG, WRONG...see you don't pay attention. (<___totally irony)
Pay close attention.
The writings of your belief system makes it clear in official writings that they have (adore) the same God (even if they invented another one) as Catholics.
"together with us" is pretty clear.
It's the same as saying that Catholics adore the SAME "God" that Islam adores.
Christians on the other hand do NOT adore the same God as the Muslims.
Only Catholics per their own admission.
Paying attention would be great advise, take it.
If you do not want to be part of adoring the Muslim God you will have to make some changes in your allegiance to your denomination.
You're right!
We HATE what you Catholics have done to the simple message Jesus brought to earth.
And yet tery's rant (6544) below this post is gone.
Whoda thunk!
I go into town to have my teeth cleaned, and upon returning I find this thread full of HOLES!!!
What happened while I was gone???
Mary is dead.
Speaking the truth is not hate.
Mary was a SINNER.
Speaking the truth is not hate.
Pope Francis is a good fit for today's church.
WHAT?
A "This IS my body" guy using the word DESCRIBE???
Using Catholic reasoning, since Jesus said it; they WERE actually snakes!!!
Are you STILL so dull?
If my explanation is inaccurate, any better informed Catholic is invited to correct me, and I will study the Church doctrine and will adhere to it more closely in the future.
One more for the Hubris column
How was it in the vulgate?
Why should it?
Even I agree with 87% of your doctrine.
How about plain, ol’ sarcasm??
I don't know that one. I don't have access to that.
I imagine if you lived in the first century you would go all Pharisee on the fishermen that Jesus chose to spread the gospel. Several of them were simple fishermen with no "Catholic" credentials.
Here???
What if one uses the same model used in the parable of the Good Samaritan ? To me, it is obvious, the Parable of the Sheep and Goats incorporates the second great commandment that Messiah taught, which is the pinnacle of Leviticus 19. The least of "these" includes the Jews and all those who do the will of our Father who art in heaven. And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest. And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the LORD your God. Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another. And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD. Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning. Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD. Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour. Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD. Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him. Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
-- Leviticus 19, Catholic chapter nineteen, Protestant verses nine through eighteen
With pleasure! ;-)
OK, thanks for explaining it.
there is no such thing, and like most other prodigal children, you'll be back!!
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