Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone
The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.
“she is blessed with all that is good and merciful in mankind.”
Never in Scripture does God say this. Ever. Totally made up. Totally makes Mary into an idol.
He did? Really? Where is that Scripture? What do you make of Matthew 25 about the sheep and the goats? Notice that both are surprised at their verdicts.
In the context of “praying to Mary”, the word “pray” simply means “ask” or “request”.
I’ve seen a half-century-old book on how to write an application for a US patent. The example application contains many occurrences of the word “pray”, as in “Applicant prays that the USPTO grant a Letter of Patent for the invention herein disclosed”.
Does that mean the patent attorney worships the Patent Office?
Of course not.
And the fact that Catholics use the word “pray” to describe requests of Mary likewise does not mean we worship her.
seriously you work?
and if not are you the prot type who stays home on the Lords Day and ‘churches themselves’?
Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam
Haha. No, it is the Protestant that must reconcile with their Founder. You reject what he embraced. Why is that?
Unlike y’all, we don’t follow a mortal man.
Single charismatic leader. - can you say pope?
Say they are the only true group, or the best so why go anywhere else. - Do I really need to say?
Hyped meetings, get you to meetings rather than share with you. - How many times have we been told to "go to a mass"?
They do not allow their teachings or practices to be questioned. If you question, then automatically the group assumes that something is wrong with you.
They will push you to obey by using guilt. They will demand complete “submission” to the group, its leaders and its teachings.
Mandatory, regular attendance
Separating the believers (the in crowd) from the non believers - who can take communion in a Catholic Church?
Answered in #440
And now another claiming Catholicism is a cult.
As were all "Protestants" before the Reformation. At the founding of Protestantism, all of the Marian devotion that this thread rejects, were fully embraced by your Founders.
Great discussion on this thread. Thank you for posting.
He did? Really? Where is that Scripture?
John 6
44 No man can come to me,
except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
What do you make of Matthew 25 >>>>>>>
Probably the same as you do if you understand it correctly.
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Luke 6
31 Do to others as you would have them do to you.
What it means to me is if i see some one who is hungry or thirsty or needs help i should help them as i would expect them to help me.
Also Jesus said the least of these, so it is not up to me to try to determine if they belong to Christ or not.
Notice that both are surprised at their verdicts.>>>>>>>
We are who he is talking to, i would not understand if he had not explained it.
As John McClaine said in the first Die Hard movie, "Welcome to the party pal!"
This is typical of an open (non ecumenical) thread as this. As a Catholic myself I don't like it either but: some pretty harsh things have been said about non-Catholic Christians too (maybe not here but in other threads). And there's not much that can be done about it anyway.
According to the rules disparaging whole denominations is permitted; we're just not allowed to disparage FReepers. It's the only way it can be, really, or else all thought would be shut down quick. It's just unfortunate some (on both "sides") have to be so vitriolic.
I guess you skipped over the fact that those opinions didn’t pass scriptural muster and were not included in Lutheran Confessional documents, or what Luther thought personally isn’t relevant to Lutherans when it is in conflict with the Word of God. We don’t worship or pray to other people.
If so, you'd think they would read it once in awhile, would sure clear up the baloney doctrines of the OTC.
Mike, the invention of a “fence” around Christ through which we must somehow enter for access prior to going through HIM to the Father, is clearly satanic. Of COURSE Satan would use Mary, a godly woman who was certainly blessed of God, as a point of deception. Far from a harmless, sentimental notion, the idea that one can entreat Mary to “put in a good word with Jesus” is hellish and demonic and under the curse of God (see: Galatians).
And the fact that Catholics use the word “pray” to describe requests of Mary likewise does not mean we worship her.
In other words is Mary and many other saints in heaven because we are living in the last day, the day that Christ is lifting us up or is she and other Saints there because of a special resurrection in which i do not believe?
“At the founding of Protestantism, all of the Marian devotion that this thread rejects, were fully embraced by your Founders.”
That the Reformers recovered the Gospel of Grace is more than one could hope for. To think they would set straight more than a thousand years of error in a brief lifetime is unrealistic.
They did work to make Scripture open and available to the common man and set off a reexamination to see what God revealed. In this sense, God used them to correct and recover.
No one claims they were perfect. No human is. For His own reasons, God uses flaw-ridden humans and an occasional donkey or fish.
We ask for her intercession with God.
Thproblem is that this is a vanity posted for the sole purpose of causing a fight. It is not an article, and some FReepers are incapable of respectful discussion. For example, at this posting Catholicism has been called a cult twice.
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