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Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?
self | 12-14-14 | ealgeone

Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone

The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: bible; blessedvirginmary; catholic; mary; mystery; mysterybabylon; prayer; rcinventions; vanities; vanity; worship
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To: xzins

Oops...

...ping.


2,521 posted on 12/20/2014 7:13:06 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero

Nosiness is a virtue in some contexts.

Like when you have daughters...or granddaughters, which I have plenty of, only one of which is old enough for her parents to engage in loving nosiness.

Is nosiness a virtue when talking about ducks, duck movies, and recalcitrant freepers? Not necessarily. But it can be fun.


2,522 posted on 12/20/2014 7:24:20 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Resettozero
If so, what cult do you belong to?

I'd like to answer that.

We are a branch of the vine that Jesus said was Himself (throughout human history). I'm not sure we've ever formally been given the name of Jesus' Church. We have many nicknames.

We ain't protesting nuthin'. We didn't break off from the Roman catholic church. Never ever did.

We started with the revelation that Jesus of Nazareth is Lord of all creation and is Son of the Living God.

We received news of this wonderful message of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and all that He had done for us by dying on the Cross for ALL my (our) sins, being resurrected on the third day, and then Ascending to the Father...we received all this Good News from loud-talking guys on podiums and they learned it from others before them and from reading the Holy Bible.
2,523 posted on 12/20/2014 7:27:46 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: daniel1212
As I have been repeatedly saying, Daniel, the word 'veneration' does not appear in our English bible anyplace at all. So, when people talk about veneration, they have to mean the definition that's available to us from dictionaries. It means 'deep respect', as in 'the venerable old man carefully instructed his grandchildren.'

We venerate that 'greatest generation' of World War II veterans. Our veneration reaches all the way to paying for those 'Honor Flights' that bring them to DC to see the WWII memorial.

2,524 posted on 12/20/2014 7:28:44 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: daniel1212; Resettozero; metmom

An amazing word play isn’t it?


2,525 posted on 12/20/2014 7:35:24 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: xzins

“So, you do think that believing is an important doctrinal point? Good. You have just affirmed ‘sola fide’.”

Nope. Affirming the importance of faith does not in any way affirm the doctrine of faith ALONE anymore than affirming the importance of scripture affirms the doctrine of scripture ALONE.

“And ‘methodists’ didn’t even exist during the protest and the reformation.”

Ever meet a 500 year old Lutheran? No, none? Me neither. By your logic, no Lutheran today is a Protestant. By your logic, no Lutheran from anything less than 400 years ago was not a Protestant. That’s not how reality works. So what? None of the Protestants today existed 115 years ago. None of them. That doesn’t mean they are not Protestants.

“They actually didn’t truly exist until America and the revolution.”

They’re still Protestants nonetheless.

“They weren’t born of any protest against Catholicism; they were born of protest against King George.”

And they’re still Protestants - just like George III.


2,526 posted on 12/20/2014 7:56:26 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: Elsie
You've been a FREEPER since '98 and just now learned how to ping more than one person; so there IS still hope for you!

I do things on a "need to know" basis..I assumed that all good Freepers read every post in a thread that they posted on, therefore would have read my brilliant comments....might even have searched for them!

2,527 posted on 12/20/2014 7:57:24 PM PST by terycarl ( common sense prevails over all)
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To: Resettozero

“You gotta keep both eyes peeled for those old retired proud Army Chaplains, vlad. They blindside you if you let ‘em.”

No, they don’t. Been there, done that.

“And they’re nosey.”

Not particularly.


2,528 posted on 12/20/2014 7:57:29 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

“By your logic, no Lutheran from anything less than 400 years ago was not a Protestant.”

Should be, “By your logic, no Lutheran from anything less than 400 years ago was a Protestant.”


2,529 posted on 12/20/2014 7:59:55 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: metmom
He called the cup the fruit of the vine. How can it be blood then? So are you telling us He sinned and made His disciples sin by making them drink blood under the old covenant?

this is a cup of My Blood which will be shed for you...

did He shed wine???

2,530 posted on 12/20/2014 8:02:50 PM PST by terycarl ( common sense prevails over all)
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To: vladimir998
Ever meet a 500 year old Lutheran? No, none? Me neither. By your logic, no Lutheran today is a Protestant.

That doesn't follow, my friend. Lutheranism WAS one of the protesting groups.

Methodists weren't one of the protesting groups....ever. Didn't arise because of it, didn't continue because of it.

And you are a believer in sola fide, sola gratia, solus Christus, and soli deo Gloria.

4/5th of the reformer's message.

You don't like "sola scriptura", but even you hold scripture in extremely high regard.

2,531 posted on 12/20/2014 8:06:38 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: metmom
So all 1.2 billion Catholics get the same message from the Holy Spirit at the same time and they all believe exactly the same thing? FOTFLOL!!!!!

Get up off the floor...if the Catholic Church is inspired by the Holy Spirit to proclaim a truth, then YES all Catholics, and everyone else on Earth is expected to believe it.....we're dealing with God here you know.

2,532 posted on 12/20/2014 8:06:42 PM PST by terycarl ( common sense prevails over all)
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To: Syncro
"Jesus wasn't God"

----------------------------------------------------------- Wasn't? Was. And still is. First mentioned in Genesis. That's the first Book of the Bible, written LONG before the Catholic Church "GAVE" us the Bible lie. He is a part of the trinity, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. All three compose the one God. Mary gave birth to Jesus, the physical body. Not "God"...NOT Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit.

WHERE ON EARTH DID YOU EVER GET THE IDEA THAT I DON'T THINK THAT JESUS WAS NOT GOD?????????????

2,533 posted on 12/20/2014 8:12:27 PM PST by terycarl ( common sense prevails over all)
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To: vladimir998
R2z : “You gotta keep both eyes peeled for those old retired proud Army Chaplains, vlad. They blindside you if you let ‘em.”

vlad : No, they don’t. Been there, done that.

R2z : “And they’re nosey.”

vlad : Not particularly.


Ya know, vlad. One could begin to draw the conclusion that you're a sorta disagreeable person who just says the opposite of what select FReepers say to you regardless. Yes, one could. (No, they couldn't?)
2,534 posted on 12/20/2014 8:13:01 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Syncro; Elsie
One of those here to distract from Jesus and His ministry. Mostly by substituting Mary for our Saviour.

Never happened, and Elsie says that is is disparaging to refer to someone without pinging them....mind your manners!

2,535 posted on 12/20/2014 8:17:08 PM PST by terycarl ( common sense prevails over all)
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To: xzins

“That doesn’t follow, my friend. Lutheranism WAS one of the protesting groups.”

But according to your logic that doesn’t matter, my friend: “And ‘methodists’ didn’t even exist during the protest and the reformation.” Well, none of the Lutherans today existed then either, right?

“Methodists weren’t one of the protesting groups....ever.”

And ELCA is? The ELCA came about in 1988. Yes, it’s roots are older, but the ELCA certainly didn’t exist in 1520 or even 1600 or even in 1700 or even 1800 or even in 1900. DO you now see the problem with your logic.

“Didn’t arise because of it, didn’t continue because of it.”

And the ELCA didn’t “arise” because of it either, and “didn’t continue because of it” either but the ELCA is still Protestant.

“And you are a believer in sola fide, sola gratia, solus Christus, and soli deo Gloria.”

I don’t believe in sola fide. You can keep falsely claiming I am, but I’m not and I never will be. I have mentioned this more than once, but you keep making that false claim. Protestants apparently don’t value intellectual honesty.

“4/5th of the reformer’s message.”

Wow, you are struggling to make a sensible argument, aren’t you?

“You don’t like “sola scriptura”, but even you hold scripture in extremely high regard.”

I do hold scripture in high regard. I don’t hold heresies like sola fide or sola scriptura in high regard.


2,536 posted on 12/20/2014 8:19:55 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998; metmom; All
Protestants apparently don’t value intellectual honesty.

METMOM! EVERYBODY! You gotta come see what vlad has said now!
2,537 posted on 12/20/2014 8:22:32 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: ealgeone
Imagine all those personal interpretations of Scripture occurring around catholicism.

this statement was posted by a protestant....most of whom profess that personal interpretation of the Bible is perfectly O.K.....how many denominations are there now???

2,538 posted on 12/20/2014 8:22:58 PM PST by terycarl ( common sense prevails over all)
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To: Resettozero

“Ya know, vlad. One could begin to draw the conclusion that you’re a sorta disagreeable person who just says the opposite of what select FReepers say to you regardless. Yes, one could. (No, they couldn’t?)”

Nope. I just state the truth again, and again, and again. If you get something right, I’ll agree with you. The reason why I have not agreed with you much is...well, you can figure that out.


2,539 posted on 12/20/2014 8:23:13 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
The reason why I have not agreed with you much is...well, you can figure that out.

You're stubborn?
2,540 posted on 12/20/2014 8:25:06 PM PST by Resettozero
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