[xzins]

Ever meet a 500 year old Lutheran? No, none? Me neither. By your logic, no Lutheran today is a Protestant.

That doesn't follow, my friend. Lutheranism WAS one of the protesting groups.

Methodists weren't one of the protesting groups....ever. Didn't arise because of it, didn't continue because of it.

And you are a believer in sola fide, sola gratia, solus Christus, and soli deo Gloria.

4/5th of the reformer's message.

You don't like "sola scriptura", but even you hold scripture in extremely high regard.

[vladimir998]

“That doesn’t follow, my friend. Lutheranism WAS one of the protesting groups.”

But according to your logic that doesn’t matter, my friend: “And ‘methodists’ didn’t even exist during the protest and the reformation.” Well, none of the Lutherans today existed then either, right?

“Methodists weren’t one of the protesting groups....ever.”

And ELCA is? The ELCA came about in 1988. Yes, it’s roots are older, but the ELCA certainly didn’t exist in 1520 or even 1600 or even in 1700 or even 1800 or even in 1900. DO you now see the problem with your logic.

“Didn’t arise because of it, didn’t continue because of it.”

And the ELCA didn’t “arise” because of it either, and “didn’t continue because of it” either but the ELCA is still Protestant.

“And you are a believer in sola fide, sola gratia, solus Christus, and soli deo Gloria.”

I don’t believe in sola fide. You can keep falsely claiming I am, but I’m not and I never will be. I have mentioned this more than once, but you keep making that false claim. Protestants apparently don’t value intellectual honesty.

“4/5th of the reformer’s message.”

Wow, you are struggling to make a sensible argument, aren’t you?

“You don’t like “sola scriptura”, but even you hold scripture in extremely high regard.”

I do hold scripture in high regard. I don’t hold heresies like sola fide or sola scriptura in high regard.

[Heart-Rest]

"Methodists weren't one of the protesting groups....ever. Didn't arise because of it, didn't continue because of it."

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Are you a member of the United Methodist Church?    They (the UMC) call themselves Protestants -- see the following links for proof of that:

• The "Foundry United Methodist Church" in Washington, D.C. has the following on their web site: "The Methodist branch of Protestantism traces its roots back..."

• The main "United Methodist Church" web site explains how they were formed from earlier groups having "Theological traditions steeped in the Protestant Reformation..."

• "The 15 Largest Protestant Denominations in the United States" lists the "United Methodist Church" as #2 on their list - (Source "The Christian Post")